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I smell a RAT (Zogby)
Zogby International ^ | 11-12-04 | Colin Shea

Posted on 11/14/2004 1:43:21 PM PST by jim_trent

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For those who talked up Zogby, this was posted elsewhere on the same site:

Keep ahead of the curve

Want to know what Real People are thinking?

Zogby International has been tracking public opinion since 1984 in North America, Latin America, the Middle East, Asia, and Europe...

Mission: "To Offer the Best Polling, Market Research, & Information Services Worldwide Based on Accuracy & Detailed Strategic Information."

1 posted on 11/14/2004 1:43:21 PM PST by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent

DemRat meltdown.


2 posted on 11/14/2004 1:46:52 PM PST by Rocko (Congratulations, President Bush!)
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To: jim_trent

Either prove some fraud, or shut the hell up, looser.


3 posted on 11/14/2004 1:48:25 PM PST by johnandrhonda
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To: jim_trent; Rocko; Zogby
John Zogby:

No way is Bush gonna carry New Mexico! It's in the bag for Kerry. A done deal! Put it in the lockbox.

4 posted on 11/14/2004 1:49:41 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC characterizing them as idiots..." (Zell Miller)
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To: jim_trent
I smell a RAT too..
his name is Colin Shea
5 posted on 11/14/2004 1:49:42 PM PST by Tula Git
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To: jim_trent
This would be a little more believable if it wasn't for the intermittent Bush bashing. In a nut shell this is what he says:

"The statistics can't be wrong! It must be fraud! We must investigate! Bush has done nothing right and he is evil"

Go figure...
6 posted on 11/14/2004 1:50:49 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: jim_trent

I dont go to Zogby's site so I dont know what he allows....but if he wants credibility, how can he post this kind of crap?


7 posted on 11/14/2004 1:51:10 PM PST by woofie
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To: jim_trent

Is this the same Colin Shea who runs something called Newtopia out of Prague and appears to be a Communist fanatic?

Here's a quote from one of his articles, attacking Vaclav Havel: "The simple, incorrigible fact of Castro's regime is that every citizen of Cuba has access to sufficient food, medical care, and education to support a life of basic human dignity. The logic of political necessity which leads to aerial slaughter is markedly absent. I wonder if Havel has seen the thousands of families burrowing for shelter in the massive trash heaps outside of Caracas. I have, and I do not dismiss Castro's achievements so lightly."

For the rest of the article, see here:

http://www.newtopiamagazine.net/content/issue14/features/powerlessness.php


8 posted on 11/14/2004 1:52:32 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jim_trent

Why did the same trend show in other states, both red and blue, like Kentucky, Massachusetts, etc.? What an idiot.


9 posted on 11/14/2004 1:52:58 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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"In one county where 88% of voters are registered Democrats, Bush got nearly two thirds of the vote--three times more than predicted by my model."

Another lib elite who doesn't understand the concept of a Dixiecrat. Moral conservative Dems delivered the south to the GOP.


10 posted on 11/14/2004 1:53:03 PM PST by eagle11 (You can't build a party platform on a social welfare safety net most Americans hope they don't need!)
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To: jim_trent

I wonder why Zogby didn't just tattoo the word "JOKE" on his forehead.

By publishing this nonsense on his website, he's guaranteed that he can never be taken seriously again.


11 posted on 11/14/2004 1:53:28 PM PST by ScottFromSpokane (We're none of us prefect.)
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To: jim_trent

During the 2000 election, Janet Reno was the Head of the Justice Department, yet she failed to uncover any voting fraud. Remember, this is a person used to getting her own way, a la Waco. So her party had even more voting fraud detection means and methods instituted, and the President Bush wins his second term by an even greater margin?


12 posted on 11/14/2004 1:54:06 PM PST by investigateworld (( .... Father Watch over our servicemen, for their task is righteous and the danger is great....))
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
The little urchin failed to mention that the election results were predicted accurately by Rasmussen, and the RealClearPolitics site had (due to its averaging of all polls technique) every single state projected correctly except for Wisconsin, which was whisker close (and I personally still wonder about the absentees from there).

REMEMBER THIS, FREEPERLAND for future elections - Zogby is clearly a member of the enemy. He ignores a MONTH of stable polling results and claims that the Exit Polls PROVE fraud.

13 posted on 11/14/2004 1:54:41 PM PST by alancarp (When does it cease to be "Freedom of the Press" and become outright SEDITION?)
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The pollsters had been dead wrong...

No, not all. If you choose to follow pollsters that confirm your biases then expect to be disappointed often. We even saw it here on FR where freepers would cheer a pollster that showed Bush ahead one week only to jeer him the next week when the numbers didn't work their way.

My college statistics teacher told the class that the worst data you can get is free data offered up by people, and that's the data most pollsters are using. About the best polling I've seen is that that doesn't require an opinion. The best polls were those that had a monetary component to them, i.e. those being polled were putting their money where their mouths were--online betting, 7-11 coffee cups and other such polling methods.

14 posted on 11/14/2004 1:55:43 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: jim_trent

He doesn't know as much as he think he does. There are a lot of ways his reasoning doesn't work.

For instance, here in the South, many people who are registered Democrat vote strict Republican. An anachronism left over from days when the South was Demo.


15 posted on 11/14/2004 1:55:49 PM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: jim_trent

ACtually he is right. Those Rascally Republicans have done it again! And the Dimocrats are just too stupid to figure it out. Come on guys, keep it up. Before long we can take every state and election with those illegal tactics! :)


16 posted on 11/14/2004 1:56:37 PM PST by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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I'm not buyin' this bs. The scope of the alleged fraud would have involved at least 20-30 people, probably more. At least one of them would have had a guilt attack and called the nyt to confess. But, uh, that hasn't happened yet, has it? Those are my statistics. Next!


17 posted on 11/14/2004 1:56:38 PM PST by searchandrecovery (The election results still makes me happy.)
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To: jim_trent
Lies, damn lies, and statistics

Statistics never lie, only some of the people who use them.
18 posted on 11/14/2004 1:56:56 PM PST by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours! (I told you so :-))
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To: jim_trent
lol.

Meanwhile senatu're John Kahreei' lost in a landslide and I, John Zogby have been bawling into my pillow every night for the past two weeks. Bush's victory means almost certian defeat for my Jihadist muslim brothers.

And I know that 4 years I will again set myself up to be defeated by only polling major cities. I will once again force myself into a manic-depressive state. I'm so sad I feel like crying, i'm tired i'm going back to sleep. Goodnight cruel world.
19 posted on 11/14/2004 1:57:23 PM PST by DixieOklahoma (Stop specter vision! Keep specter out! Just say NO to specter!)
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To: jim_trent
The flaw in this thinking is that the final exit polls for Florida are right to within 0.5%. In fact, the final exit polls for every state are right on the money. It is only the early exit polls that were erroneous.

Now, you can speculate whatever reason you want why those early results were so wrong. I, myself, see it as yet another attempt to throw the election to Kerry by discouraging Republican turnout. It is hard to postulate any reason for the 'Pubbies to put out false data showing a large margin for Kerry early on election day. The principle of cui bono points straight at the Donks, or a Donk proxy (such as Zogby).

Of course, it could have been an accident. Some accident, though.

I think that Zogby spent the political capital accumulated over decades in a brazen attempt to push this election the way he wanted it to go. The 5:00 call for Kerry was blatantly a fabrication. If he is ever again taken seriously, we have only ourselves to blame.

20 posted on 11/14/2004 1:57:33 PM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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