Posted on 11/14/2004 6:46:34 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
A big IF!
"Where would we be if socialism was successful somewhere?"
Socialism only looks successful when it can suck prosperity from capialist institutions. Socialist/communist systems, when standing alone, look like Vietnam and Cuba.
If we were to count up the number of victims of Communism during the 20th Century the death toll from mass shootings, labor camps and forced famines would probably be WAY over 100 million people. Haven't the Left of today learned from that experience? 
..Ouch! SHARP! :) ...like so many states, ruled by Liberals.
Except John Kerry....
>>Socialism only looks successful when it can suck prosperity from capialist institutions.
If you click on my Screen Name and go to my home page....there's a few good books on that listed.
I had no idea there was still a Vietnamese royal family nor did I know they were issuing press releases from Aurora, Illinois. I thought that after the emperor Bao Dai abdicated and left Vietnam for France that was the end of them. Check out this November 10th press release:
H.I.H. Prince Regent Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh of Vietnam, Regent of the Imperial Nguyen Dynasty & President of The Vietnamese Constitutional Monarchist League
His Imperial Highness Prince Regent Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh of Vietnam was forced to leave Vietnam and was exiled after 1975, has been living in the United States and is The Regent of the Imperial Nguyen Dynasty Overseas Council and The President of the Vietnamese Constitutional Monarchist League that is attempting to peacefully form a democratic government in Vietnam.
(PRWEB) November 10, 2004 -- OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS
From the Office of the Leadership of the Nguyen Imperial Dynasty of Vietnam: http://users.panola.com/vietnam
I. Announcement to the People of Vietnam:
The Imperial Nguyen Dynasty is leading a vigorous and persistent struggle against the Communist Regime. We are utilizing only peaceful methods in this struggle, using political and diplomatic measures, such as: Contacting and canvassing World Leaders and International Organizations, United Nations, etc, to stand behind our noble cause and support us in restoring the Nation and traditional constitutional Monarchy. We will absolutely never condone the use of violence in any form to defeat the enemy.
We uphold the concept that the Communist Vietnamese share with us the same origins and the same Ancestors. We will never take revenge on them, but consider them to be misguided brothers of our same ethnic blood and national origin.
After eliminating the Communist Regime, we want the awakened and liberated Communist Vietnamese to cooperate with us in common brotherhood to rebuild and embellish the country.
From the Office of the Leadership of the Nguyen Imperial Dynasty of Vietnam:
II. Announcement to Political Parties, Societies, Associations, Fronts, Movements etc:
The Imperial Nguyen Dynasty of Vietnam firmly declares that we appreciate and respect all the leaders of the nationalist political parties, movements, fronts and associations etc, united in common cause against the Communists. We stand alongside them in mutual support to advance the same cause. We are committed to never discriminate against or underestimate any of them.
We have always been going together on the same Road of Struggle and must help each other to restore the Nation and bring liberty and social welfare to the People.
We absolutely are determined to never cause problems and conflicts against each other if they consider us as combatants on the same front.
If you would like to politically pressure the Communist Regime of Hanoi to help the oppressed people of Vietnam, you are welcomed to join His Imperial Highness Prince Regent Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh and become a part of history and fight for human rights, freedom of expression, the freedom of association and the freedom of speech, for Vietnam under the protection of the Nguyen Dynasty of Vietnam.
"When we are not devoted to serve the People, we cannot have the right to ask for the favors from the nation."
H.I.H. Prince Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh of Vietnam
Regent of the Imperial Nguyen Dynasty
President of the Vietnamese Constitutional Monarchist League
P.O. Box 6621
Aurora,IL 60598 USA
Foreign Secretariat: (323) 202-7043
Vietnamese Constitutional Monarchist League: http://users.panola.com/vietnam
Thanks for your amplification. My question was somewhat rhetorical. :>)
"We" includes the mothers of all America crushers: the American press and John Kerry. Oh how they loved their Ho -- and to this day. To the rescue they came helping the commies get normal relations -- and a Kerry cousin get lucrative contracts.
BUMP
The Marxist Lenin was absolutely correct about one thing, the useful idiots will sell the commies the rope to hang them. Keep them technology thingies and dollars flowing to the murderers of tens of millions of their own citizens and the proud owners of nuke missiles aimed at us, "free traders." Thanks a lot.
The Cold War may have ended differently had we listened to "free traders" in those days -- "Help the moderates, don't play into the hands of the Soviet hardliners." (Interpretations: leftists, we wnat the Soviets to win; "free traders," we want the money!)
An interesting post, Joe. Thanks.
But .. there has always been good and evil in the world.
And .. GOD has always raised up a remnant who will defend GOD's ideals of freedom and democracy. While humans cannot produce perfection .. we at least try to make things better for people.
According to Scottish historian Alexander Tytler:
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."
Next time you hear a democrat complaining that we ignorant red staters are voting "against our own economic self-interests", whip this little goodie out on them.
It can only "succeed" if no alternatives is allowed... this is it reason for it inherent totalitarian nature...
They obviously need Jane Fonda to go over there and help them "pray" more. (/sarc.)
If not Marx, another would have risen up with the same idea.
You could make a point that the french revolution - in following the Rousseau model that claims Man does not need God and can perfect himself through reason and logic - is the starting point for all the "isms" that have come from that day to this. They all have two things in common: they all believe Man is master of his destiny (while denying God), and they all view the West (with our tenets based on individual freedom and inalienable rights which come from that same God they refute) as the enemy.
The struggle between the forces of freedom and the cloud of tyranny has been going on since time began - this is just the most recent page.
Yeah, well, they had a lot of help from the democRATs, the American media and other fifth columnists here in America.
Vietnam was one war that our soldiers were never allowed to fight.
Reds was a Warren Beaty snoozer. I left after an hour. I tried to watch the video. Turned it off after 15 minutes.
We came close. The Communist Party/Socialist Party lives on, right here in America.
Fools.
Marx's BASIC idea was flawed. I saw that as a 19-year-old who was TRYING to see some good or some SENSE in it. Flawed logic.
Marx was a journalist, very middle class, who, during his years in London, never ONCE visited a factory. He didn't associate with the plebian workers. A journalist. This country has SO much faith in journalists. Thank goodness so many have been "danrathered."
There's his famous "Marx's Chair" at the London library, so some such place, where he did his "research."
He was a phoney and as arrogant an elitist you'll ever encounter...all with the common sense of a pea.
Pathetic the fools who thought his flawed logic actually made sense.
Harhar. "Utopia" means "nowhere" in Greek.
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