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Shedding light on Islam (A Moderate's Perspective)
The Memphis Commercial Appeal ^ | November 14, 2004 | Bima Said

Posted on 11/14/2004 4:32:15 AM PST by MidTown_Doc

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To: MidTown_Doc
Great post.  

It's interesting how even the act of posting such an article shows how much Islam and Christianity have in common.  Notice how in both religions, it's the "death-to-them" crowd  that makes the most noise and gets all the publicity.  Another interesting thing is how these very same "death-to-them" people are the ones who insist who claim to be closest to their Creator.

IMHO this kind of reaction is the dark side of the Freerepublic.   The admin people will let you post "ISLAM IS SH**" (without the asterisks) while anything negative at all about something that they really hold sacred (say, Rush) will get your thread pulled in seconds.

I'm half expecting this thread to get pulled.

81 posted on 11/14/2004 7:59:13 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: weenie
72 virgins...lol

What morons. And just what will they use for a penis? They will have no human body.

82 posted on 11/14/2004 8:00:34 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: expat_panama
This country never had a problem with islam till one day in September, do you remember that day? The 11th?

That day did more to show Americans the true face of islam then anything before.

It is a blood-thirsty cult. Nothing else. September 11, 2001...woke us up.

83 posted on 11/14/2004 8:04:29 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Muhammed spread his religion by intimidation and war.

His army marched from village to village and said join us or you are dead. The Koran is nothing but a war and intimidation plan.

After Muhammed died, his followers continued with the war and intimidation plan and now there are over 1 billion of them. Has to stop somewhere.


84 posted on 11/14/2004 8:06:34 AM PST by JustDoItAlways
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To: weenie; pbrown
all we can do is invite them to a party with their 72 virgins.

IOW, kill all 1.3 billion.  You've got your work cut out for you.  Say you got them all in one place-- that many bodies would cover 700 square miles.  Maybe you could start by just killing those under 12 months at first, but you'd have to work fast because even if you used a pitchfork a lot of them would be crawling away.

Then again, maybe this is not a healthy direction for this thread, after all today is Sunday.

85 posted on 11/14/2004 8:08:30 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: pbrown
a blood-thirsty cult

Absolutely, not at all like us ---what religion did you say you were?

86 posted on 11/14/2004 8:12:00 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama



Is THAT you, MAKnight?


87 posted on 11/14/2004 8:12:18 AM PST by Paperdoll (.........on the cutting edge)
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To: MidTown_Doc

ISLAM IS KILLING US !!!

What did we (in America) learn from September 11, 2001 and the deaths of 3,000 people. I am tempted to admit: Absolutely Nothing !!!

Among the many unlearned lessons of the Day-Which-Will-Live-In-Infamy-II, the necessity to control our borders, the need for a patriotic renewal and the importance of combating multiculturalism -- the most significant is the NATURE of Islam. You will note that I do not say militant Islam, or radical Islam, or Islamic extremism or any other such weasel words – but just Islam. Period, end of argument !!!

Every one of the hijackers who flew airliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon were professing and practicing Muslims, as is Osama bin Laden. The Al Qaeda terrorist network, is based in Muslim countries and supported financially by the so called pious Muslim leadership of Saudi Arabia !!!

The overwhelming majority of Muslim religious authorities who have spoken out on the subject, including those at the main mosque in Mecca and Egypt’s prestigious Al Azar University, either endorse or rationalize acts of terrorism. On a day when Americans were incinerated or buried under tons of rubble, Muslims from Nigeria to Indonesia, celebrated wildly in the streets !!!

Sept. 11 was just one more chapter in a 1400-year jihad. Every day, the World Trade Center massacre is reenacted on a smaller scale somewhere in the world. Jewish women and children are burned alive in a bus in Israel. A missionary is beheaded in the Philippines, gunmen shoot up a church in Pakistan, deliberately firing into the prostrate bodies of women who were trying to shield their children !!!

Ancient monasteries and convents were destroyed in Kosovo. Women are sentenced to death for adultery in Nigeria, Hindus are murdered in the Kashmir. In Denmark, the Muslim community there has put a $30,000 bounty on the heads of Jews and those who support Israel. Nuns are beheaded in Baghdad, Christians in Sudan are forced into slavery, hundreds of parents and children are murdered in a Russian school, and in Britain, Islam openly states it is going to take over not only the UK, but the entire world -- and the beat goes on... and on... and on !!!

Genocide in the Sudan, ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, religious persecution in Saudi Arabia, calls for another holocaust in mosques from Mecca to Gaza, the imposition of Islamic law in Nigeria, forced conversions in Indonesia, synagogues burned in France, Jews attacked across Europe – these are everyday events, as the Third World and much of the First slowly turns Islamic green. Eeeeyuch !!!

Sadly our leaders, from President Bush on down, insist on peddling the absolute absurdity that "Islam Is A Religion Of Peace" – a creed of kindness and benevolence tragically and inexplicably corrupted by a few misguided fanatics. Bovine Feces, George W. (pull your stupid head out of your ass) !!!

Why is the leadership of the West so reluctant to confront manifest reality? The reason lies partly with our absurd foreign policy. We have declared certain Muslim nations to be our loyal allies – including Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan. Good grief... we surely would NOT want to "offeeeeeennnnnd" these dear and loving friends by saying something unflattering about their bloody, butcher-based, dark ages, moon god murder cult !!!

Americans are naturally benevolent. Most of us are taught from childhood that religion is good (and it does not matter which religion). As long as little Johnny believes in God and goodness, it’s inconsequential whether he lights candles, wears a skull cap to services or prays in the direction of Mecca. Yes, that's what most Americans are taught !!!

However... this works with every religion except Islam !!!

Consider the following: Of the three major western religions one was started by a lawgiver who helped to free slaves; one by a man of peace; the last one by a man who loved war and having sex with children. Mohammed not only led men into battle, he enjoyed marrying girls as young as six years old (yes, it's in the Koran) !!!

The essence of Mohammed's message is sick and thoroughly disgusting. A holy war where you slaughter your enemies, while at the same time encouraging followers to have sex with the children they capture (as he did) "for the glory of Allah." He even advised his followers to negotiate false peace treaties in order to lull their enemies, before they suddenly beheaded them !!!

For almost 1,400 years, that has been the reality of Islam. Within a century after the death of Mohammed, Islam spread throughout the Middle East and across North Africa. It overran the Iberian peninsula and was finally stopped in southern France. It spread eastward as far as the southern Philippines. It was not propagated by fresh-faced young men knocking on doors and announcing: “Hello. I’m from your local mosque. Have you considered the Koran?” It was and is spread by force – conversion by the sword or death -- and this murder cult method is still in practice today !!!

Some will respond that all religions go through periods of violence, usually in their infancy. Christianity had its crusades and Inquisition, its forced conversions and expulsions. The evil committed in the name of Christ happened centuries ago. But the evil committed in the name of the murder cult prophet is going on right now, even as you read these words !!!

Of 22 present conflicts in the Third World, 20 involve Muslims versus someone else. Coincidence? In his brilliant book, "Clash of Cultures and the Remaking of World Order," Samuel Huntington speaks of Islam’s "bloody borders" therein !!!

There is no Methodist Jihad, no Jewish Hasidic holy warriors, no Buddhist monk wanting to have 72 firm breasted virgins and 12 beautiful young boys waiting for him in Buddhist paradise after a suicide bombing, no Hindu Holy men plotting to blow up people and property, no Southern Baptist beheaders, and no Mormon elders preaching the annihilation of members of other faiths !!!

Islam is a religion of war and warriors – the perfect vessel for fanatics, the violence-prone, the envious and the haters of all stripes. This is the main reason why Islam is making so many converts among the formerly peaceable denizens of our prison system !!!

Still... much of the West is addicted to a fairy-tale version of Islam. Christian and Jewish clergy fall all over themselves to have interfaith services with imams. Representatives of Muslim groups are invited to the White House. The president signs a Ramadan declaration. In California, public schools ask children to role-play at being Muslims. Our universities take CAREFULLY SELECTED verses from the Koran and present them as the essence of the faith. All that’s needed is a Muslim character on “Sesame Street.” Look – it’s the Jihad Monster !!!

This perspective engenders a fatally false sense of security. Imagine, in 1940, Winston Churchill taking to the airwaves to announce “Nazism is an ideology of peace which, regrettably, has been perverted by a few fanatics like Hitler and Goebbels. But most storm troopers and SS men are fine fellows – your friends and neighbors.” Yeah... sure !!!

For the first thousand years of its history – from the death of Mohammad to the 17th. century decline of the Ottoman empire, Islam was an expansionist force. For the next 300 years, as the West rose to preeminence, Islam receded. For the past four decades – fueled by Arab oil wealth, a surplus population in the Middle East, the waning of the West and the rise of more virulent strains of the faith (Shiism, Wahhabism, Sunni fundamentalism) – Islam is expanding once more !!!

Due to Muslim immigration and aggressive proselytizing, Islam is being exported to the West. Muslim populations are burgeoning throughout Western Europe. (In southern France, there are more mosques than churches.) In Judeo-Christian America, Islam is the fastest growing religion. It is also spreading down the coast of West Africa, through the Balkans (after Serbia, Macedonia is the next target) and up from Mindanao in the Philippines !!!

Wherever it comes, Islam brings its delightful customs – child marriages, female circumcisions, rabid hatred toward Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and every other non-muslim, terrorism and support for terrorism and a virulent intolerance of other faiths as it invades the local population !!!

We currently see this happening... right now... today,,, in Hamtramk, Michigan... where the ignorant city councel has purposely given Muslims permission to pollute the entire city with high-powered loud speaker screechings from the top of their mosques, from morning to night, six times a day, seven days a week, as they scream Muslim chants to glorify their pagan moon god Allah, and his child molesting, head chopping prophet, Mohammud (may he rot in hell). And the ACLU backs them 100%, threatening to sue anyone who dares to complain !!!

Yes, yes... the ACLU... the American Civil Liberties Union... but in reality it's the Arabic Communist Lucifer Union, championing their "cleave unto" plan of action against Judeo-Christian America. And then they further defend it by saying... "Hey, it's no different then when you disgustingly filthy, pig fat polluted, less than human Infidels ring your damned evil church bells on Sunday morning." !!!

So am I suggesting we declare war on over 1 million billion Muslims? The question is moot – Islam has declared war on the rest of the human race. When one side knows it’s at war and the other thinks peace and brotherhood prevail, guess who wins???

Ultimately, it is not about Jews in Israel, or Orthodox Serbs in Kosovo, or Hindus in Kashmir, Buddhists in Thailand, or Maronite Catholics in Lebanon, Taoists in China, or Christians in Sudan, Nigeria and Russia... but ALL OF US. As Ben Franklin would have it – Either we will "hang" together, or surely we shall all "hang" separately (now swap "be decapitated" for "hang" to properly update Mr. Franklin) !!!

So, have you loved a filthy, scum-sucking, Islamofascist Muzzle-em murderer today? Why not? What? You refuse to convert to Islam and follow the insanely murderous teachings of the Koran?

Sheeesh... obviously you are just another sub-human Infidel who's name will be on the list for bloody decapitation by a friendly and p-i-e-c-e-f-u-l Islamofascist Muzzle-em murderer... and you won't get 72 virgins when you enter Islamic Hell either !!!


88 posted on 11/14/2004 8:13:35 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: pbrown

In understanding Islam, you have to understand the life of mohammed. He was a savage warrior, a leader of armies that conquered all of the arabian penninsula. His experiences, his "art of war" is the essence of the Islamic texts.. Koran, Hadiths and the Sira.


89 posted on 11/14/2004 8:14:40 AM PST by Haro_546
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To: joesnuffy

You are so right. The first huge problem with the credibility of Islam is that they recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet. Since Jesus Christ said He was God, he cannot be a prophet. He can either be who He says He is (God), or he can be a blasphemer, or crazy person. The fact that the Koran is so wrong about Jesus shows you cannot trust anything else in it.


90 posted on 11/14/2004 8:16:20 AM PST by winner3000
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To: MidTown_Doc

Yeah, we're all just one big "It's a Small World" Disney ride.


91 posted on 11/14/2004 8:17:47 AM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: expat_panama
You sound like the type that the concentration camps in Europe had. The kind that turned on their own kind to recieve special treatment from their enslavers.

How can you as an American and I'm assuming here, a Christian, turn a blind eye to the perils to all of us when confronting islamofacist?

Do you want to bow to mecca 5 times a day? See your women and girls systematically raped and circumcised?

Will you be the kind that pulls the covers over their eyes to avoid reality only to have them jerk the covers back, drag you from your bed, kneel you before them, then hack your head off? Is that the kind of thing you are willing to endure?

Then don't come crying and wringing your hands when they come for you. Because they will.

92 posted on 11/14/2004 8:18:08 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: winner3000

and they believe he was not crucified. The hole notion that Islam is an abrhamic religion (judaisims and chrisitanity) is absurd in my opinion.


93 posted on 11/14/2004 8:18:56 AM PST by Haro_546
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To: expat_panama
Yet we are seeking a solution to the problem. Don't think for a moment this is hatred talking. Some of us are trying to figure out how to defend ourselves from hatred without becoming infected with hatred ourselves.

To stop this talk is to ignore the dark side...

There is no way to face Islam without considering the dark side...

Are you perhaps a democrat in disguise...

Thank you freerepublic for giving us a honest forum.

94 posted on 11/14/2004 8:19:52 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: winstonchurchill
But the concept of even one person converting to barbarism and paganism in a month in the middle of a formerly Christian nation is sad beyond words. To choose to pursue 72 ephemeral 'virgins' in hell over life eternal in the Lord Jesus Christ gives new meaning to the word 'gullible.'

I daresay that almost all of them are jailbirds or women so desperate for husbands that they convert.

95 posted on 11/14/2004 8:27:58 AM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: weenie

Yes, thank you Free Republic for letting us delve into this subject as we try to figure out how we are going to survive this, this evil that confronts us.


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To: Haro_546

I know what kind of a monster he was. I will never bow before him. As a woman, I would prefer death to islam. I and my daughters and granddaughtes will never lives as slaves.


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To: Haro_546

they also believe in Moses,basicly they are the newest of the major religions,stealing the good from the others and putting in their OWN bad since they have no good..the destroy and then build mosques upon old churches or temples(agia sofia,and the temple mount+numerious others in bosnia ,serbia,india,pakistan, etc etc etc)


98 posted on 11/14/2004 8:31:46 AM PST by rang1995
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To: rang1995

what a load of crap
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An unbiased study of the Quran shows that far from being a “miracle” that book is a complete hoax! Once the Quran is scrutinized with rational thinking, almost every sentence proves to be false. The Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities and grammatical errors. Could the Creator of this Universe possibly be as ignorant as He appears to be in the Quran???

The Quran instructs Muslims to kill any and all disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9:5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) especially if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose a penalty tax on them (Q. 9: 29).

The Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and states clearly that NO other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in the Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), and calls them najis (filthy,
untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until NO other religion except Islam is left upon this Earth (Q. 2: 193). It states that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17).

It tells the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and
feet off the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q.5: 34). “As for the disbelievers”, it says that “for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be
punished with hooked iron rods” (Q. 22: 9). Yikes !!!

The Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer, even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28). The Quran further tells the Muslims to “strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25: 52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9).

The so called holy Prophet commanded his follower to “strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; then, after
making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” (Q. 47: 4).

As for women ... the book of Allah says they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (Q. 66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (Q. 4:11-12), it also regards them as
imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282). This means that a woman who is raped can NOT accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness to the rape!

Muhammad allowed the Muslims to marry up to four views and gave them license to sleep with their slave maids and as many “captive” women as they may have (Q. 4:3). He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women.

Pakistani Muslim soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that all Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in the Islamic regime of Iran rape women and then kill them after calling them apostates and the enemies of Allah !!!


99 posted on 11/14/2004 8:34:16 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: pbrown
I said the same thing earlier this morning...probably somewhere in this exciting thread...

That I would rather die with dignity than live with the shame that comes with being a Muslim.

I think if the muslims were to take a close look at their religion critically and step back from it a bit, they would be overwhelmed with shame...as so they should.

100 posted on 11/14/2004 8:35:39 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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