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The C.I.A. Versus Bush
NY Times ^ | Nov. 13, 2004 | DAVID BROOKS

Posted on 11/13/2004 7:05:38 AM PST by FairOpinion

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To: Juan Medén
This is really disturbing stuff. To think that these vandals actually run the foreign intelligence of the United States is frightening. If they would campaign against their own president, what is to keep them from leading him into disasterous foreign situation in order to destroy him.

It's amazing to me to realize just how many agencies in the US government seem to actually have interests OTHER THAN working towards the interests of the US government. First and formost would be the US State Department, and now, it seems, that portions of the CIA are also involved in undermining the President.

Mark

61 posted on 11/13/2004 9:20:36 AM PST by MarkL (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!)
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To: theFIRMbss

Whenever I see a sensible article in the New York Times, it's almost always written by their token conservative columnist, David Brooks.


62 posted on 11/13/2004 9:42:06 AM PST by ntnychik (Proud member of the Bush-wazee)
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To: FairOpinion

bump


63 posted on 11/13/2004 9:43:39 AM PST by baseballmom (You Know Where I Stand - GW Bush - 9/2/04 We're standing with you, Mr. President)
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To: FairOpinion

This is what happens when you have " Gay Day " At the CIA


64 posted on 11/13/2004 9:44:20 AM PST by quietolong
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To: FairOpinion
Brooks seems to think the Bush administration isn't aware they need to address this overt problem. That is flat out absurd.

The White House-C.I.A. relationship became dysfunctional, and while the blame was certainly not all on one side

Like hell it isn't.

I've got news for Brooks. The Bush administration and the DOJ are aware of the insubordination (duh) and outrageous behavior (does the Plame/Wilson plot ring any bells, in addition to the other jaw-dropping acts against this administration) and they are indeed investigating and taking steps to correct it.

I don't care for Brooks feeling the need to take this instructional tone.

65 posted on 11/13/2004 9:54:29 AM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: FairOpinion


The "KGB" has infiltrated the CIA, thanks to Willie and Kilory Klinton. How do we route them out? Like terrorists do they wear face masks?


66 posted on 11/13/2004 9:55:00 AM PST by Paperdoll (.........on the cutting edge)
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To: theFIRMbss
You mean you haven't observed the open subversion of this administratoin by the rogues in the CIA over the last few years?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's true. They are his enemies. And for the threat they pose to our security since they disregard it in order to "get Bush", they are ours, too.

67 posted on 11/13/2004 10:02:58 AM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: txzman
At this point, even given that the story originated in the NYTimes, I side with those that are leaving.

The point is there are those in the CIA who will tell lies in order to try and bring down President Bush.

Why you would "side" with such is, well, disgusting.

68 posted on 11/13/2004 10:04:28 AM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: EagleUSA

Relax. They're one and the same.


69 posted on 11/13/2004 10:05:08 AM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: FairOpinion
What I don't know is whether Goss is cleaning out those guys, who need to go, or whether useful agents feel slighted and are leaving.

If the "useful" agents saw, as we all can from our vantage point, the treachery of Plame and this yahoo "anonymous" Scheuer, etc, and are "feeling slighted", they by definition are not "useful".

70 posted on 11/13/2004 10:07:59 AM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: The Electrician
The Joseph Wilson Niger setup should be viewed in this light, as just another piece of a highly-coordinated attack by factions within the CIA against the Bush administration (and, by extension, against US strategic interests). When can we expect the NY Times to go back and correct the record?

Which is what I have been saying since that story broke. I deduced immediately---before learning of the extensiveness of this type of insubordiation and designs on bringing down President Bush--that the Plame Wilson business was set up just as you say. For example, the anonymous stories that cropped around Wilson writing his op-ed in the *NY Times*(no, you cannot expect them to correct the record). Stories that quoted anonymous "CIA officials" who supported Wilson's version, which was an obviously a false and defamotory story. There was only one reason, I stated, that the "CIA officials" would purvey a provable (provable if reporters had done their job and connected the dots and the factual state of the record as opposed to baseless claims) lie.

I have long publicly stated I hope and pray that it is Plame and her gang that are frog-marched off to jail.

71 posted on 11/13/2004 10:18:24 AM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: Norman Bates

Power


72 posted on 11/13/2004 10:19:59 AM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: hosepipe

You're not watching very closely.

You couldn't be more wrong. The housecleaning is going on right now.

More, I fully expect some criminal prosecutions eventually.


73 posted on 11/13/2004 10:22:19 AM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: txzman

Every one has one and its called opinion or asshole take your pick.


74 posted on 11/13/2004 10:23:04 AM PST by cksharks (ew prayers for them because they will need it.)
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To: AllGone
Say you identify the 'bad guys'. In an environment of civil servants and Federal Workers Unions; how do you "clean house"?

It's always extremely difficult to fire them, and even impossible in a lot of cases.

The best you can do most of the time is make their lives miserable at work. Give them the crap assignments, that sort of thing. Some people will take the hint after a while, but even then, some of the goldbrickers will just continue to ride it out to retirement.

75 posted on 11/13/2004 10:30:42 AM PST by jpl (The tribe has spoken, now for goodness sake, get a life.)
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To: FairOpinion

A truly "good agent" would not get involved in political campaigns and try to undermine the administration. From my own experience in a government agency, I can tell you that people who want to do a good job respect the fact that administrations change. They go on with their work and try to be open to the new routines and concepts.
It's only the entrenched politicos from previous administrations who complain and try to subvert their bosses. They have forgotten their duty to the country and are simply trying to preserve their jobs.
Every administration makes changes. Unfortunately Bush left all the Clinton people in the CIA. If they're leaving because a boss is caustic, disagrees with them, or doesn't take all their advice; they need to get out of government service. Let them try to work in the private sector for a while. When they have to actually produce some results, they'll be begging for their government jobs back.


76 posted on 11/13/2004 10:31:28 AM PST by unbalanced but fair
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To: cyncooper
>You mean you haven't observed the open subversion of this administratoin by the rogues in the CIA over the last few years? Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's true.

Hey. Bush is a pro.
Just as FREEPERS sometimes lurk
at 'Rat gatherings

to track the bad guys
and draw out 'Rat opinions,
I think intel "rogues"

are just lightning rods
drawing attacks to safe grounds.
Relax. Bush is smart.

77 posted on 11/13/2004 10:39:47 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: cyncooper; hosepipe
"You're not watching very closely. You couldn't be more wrong. The housecleaning is going on right now. More, I fully expect some criminal prosecutions eventually."

Exactly. See #59 BTTT!

78 posted on 11/13/2004 11:00:31 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: cyncooper
[ You couldn't be more wrong. The housecleaning is going on right now. More, I fully expect some criminal prosecutions eventually. ]

I would love to be wrong.. Would be deliliously happy to be wrong..
I'm not a divider but a uniter, is appeasement nevertheless.

Did'nt like the sound it the first time I heard it.. But gave him(Bush) the benefit of gambitology.. He(Bush) seems to prove he would NOT know a gambit if one jumped up and sucked on his earlobe.. I'll believe it when I see it.. Until then hes just Neville Chanberlain that don't have as funny of an accent as Neville did.. Bush seems to oooze "naif" out of every pore.. A good disquise maybe!, or maybe hes worse than I suspect..

The fat is in the fire now.. nevertheless. Hope I won't have to build a prosthetic leg with a shoe on it to kick my own ass for electing him..

79 posted on 11/13/2004 11:00:49 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: theFIRMbss

That's what I think. There is some disinformation going on.


80 posted on 11/13/2004 11:02:58 AM PST by Snapple
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