Confused Catholic Politicians: Anullment Primer("Catholic gobblygook")

[sinkspur]

SO says the infallible sinkspur

So says the Catholic Church.

[1stFreedom]

Cite it please... And please don't use a diocesan website to do so... ;-)

[Boiler Plate]

The Church I currently belong to went from a building that sat 600 and 4 services 4 years ago to a building that seats 1800 and 5 services now. We are now looking for a new property after just being in the current one for 3.5 years. Unfortunately the catholic churches are looking at consolidation. Go figure.

[1stFreedom]

The Catholic Church also holds that if new evidence is introduced, the case is not final....

That presents a quandry... Say his ex realizes what she lost, then provides evidence she mislead the tribunal....

What then is the outcome?

[1stFreedom]

Whoopde doo.

Growth in a "non-denominational" church typically indicates a cult of personalilty surrounding the pastor. It's also very social --- people go because they like the other people, not necesarily because the full Gospel is being preached.

[weenie]

Not to quote The President...but get on message.

It is important.

[sinkspur]

The Catholic Church also holds that if new evidence is introduced, the case is not final....

In 15 years in the marriage tribunal, nobody ever came forward with "new evidence." Ever.

I suppose its possible, but I've never seen it.

[weenie]

There is only one Jesus...what the heck are you talking about...or are you just talking?

[sinkspur]

There is only one Jesus...what the heck are you talking about...or are you just talking?

I'm not talking to you.

[1stFreedom]

>>In 15 years in the marriage tribunal, nobody ever came forward with "new evidence." Ever.

I'll almost give that point to you.. In my diocese, only one case in the past eight years has been sent to the Rota for a third instance due to new evidence.

But really, I think most people don't care. Most people fall in to a few categories: those who are bitter and want absolutley nothing to do with the whole "anullment thing", those who don't care and just remarry outside of the church without/before any anullment decision, or just want to sow thier oats with their new found freedom. Most are willing to accept their anullment at face value because of the seduction of being with someone new. Others just accept it out of faith.

In my diocese, 80% of respondants don't even participate. Kinda tells you that they could care less.

[1stFreedom]

>>In 15 years in the marriage tribunal

Sink wanted you all to know where this post was coming from.. now I want you all to know where sink is coming from.... I won't judge his heart, but based upon the debates we have had on this subject, he isn't part of the solution...

[weenie]

Okay...just trying to win a debate...Huh...Looking for someone who cannot argue for Jesus...<
I'll tell you what...You debate for Satan...and I'll argue for Jesus.

[1stFreedom]

Sinkspur wrote: In 15 years in the marriage tribunal

Sink wanted you all to know where this post was coming from.. now I want you all to know where sink is coming from.... I won't judge his heart, but based upon the debates we have had on this subject, he isn't part of the solution...

[studly hungwell]

indissoluble by the Church – the Church lacks any authority to dissolve a marital bond between two baptized Christians
• A decision for nullity does not break the bond of a valid marriage
• A person is not free to remarry if they have been validly married before and that spouse is still alive

Actually, that is largely true, but not quite accurate.

The first bullet is true, but misleading. An annulment does not technically dissolve a marriage bond, it states that the marriage bond never existed.

The second bullet is also technically true ... but an annulment cannot be granted in the case of a valid marriage. As stated above, an annulment says that a marriage bond never existed.

A catholic who receives an annulment is free to remarry in the church. A catholic who has not received an anullment is still married in the eyes of the church.

This is from personal experience ... the annulment process takes several years to go through, so you learn a lot about it!

[1stFreedom]

>>I'm not talking to you.

Believe it or not I do side with Sink sometimes.. This is one of them...

[F16Fighter]

"What was interesting was that as an evangelical, the same sins I commited as a Catholic were the same ones I commited as an evangelical. Nothing changed!"

NO mortal dies sinless, but the Lord knows your heart, and knows you seek His counsel.

What CAN change is ignoring His counsel and surrendering to this world and lies of the Evil One who is constantly on the prowl.

[Boiler Plate]

You'd say I was never really saved, and I'd say that is a lame excuse.

Larry Flynt said he was saved too. However Jesus said you can tell a tree by its fruit.

Repentance requires turning from sin and committing to serving Christ not your flesh. Whether or not you were saved is up to you and whether you want to serve Christ who died for you or your sinful nature. Just because you ask Christ to come into your heart doesn't mean the temptation to sin will go away, but you now have a choice to either commit it or not. Is it hard, you bet. Is it worth it, well that's for you to decide and I can't tell what to do.

You obviously have heard it all before you'll have to search you heart. It's never too late to make a decision for Christ. God Bless

[1stFreedom]

>>• A decision for nullity does not break the bond of a valid marriage

What I'm alluding to is that if a tribunal grants a null decision on irrelavant grounds (say the claim was a broken toe nail) it has no effect on a valid marriage.