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When Vietnam vets came home (Soldiers being spit on is just an urban myth)
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| Nov 10, 2004
| JOHN LLEWELLYN
Posted on 11/10/2004 3:35:05 PM PST by mykdsmom
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To: mykdsmom; BOBWADE
My power supply went south before I could post my reply. I'm glad it did because I didn't use nice language at all. To put it nicely, urban myth, my ass. I was there and know first hand that the spitting, dodging feces, etc was the norm in san francisco, not the exception. Coming off the plane,
GIs ran a guantlet of unwashed hippie types shouting, spitting, throwing bags of something (purported to be feces) with the local police watching and doing nothing (they did warn the servicemen that they could be arrested for retaliating). I heard this story many times from men I served with and can say from personal experience that the spitting occurred most of the time when you went into sf in uniform. Again, I'm glad the original post didn't make it out of here. Admin mods wouldn't have been too happy.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:06:00 PM PST
by
zip
((Remember: pingDimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of Americans))
To: mykdsmom
My friend a Navy Master Chief said the protesters threw dog food on him. The police just stood there and watched. When he scrapped it off and was going to throw it back at them, the police officer said they'd arrest him if he did.
Another friend Ret. COL USAF said they spit on him..he was enroute to his mom's funeral having come all the way from Vietnam for it.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:06:05 PM PST
by
GailA
(Praise GOD and our Lord Jesus GW won.)
To: mykdsmom
It is incredibly difficult to read a post like this....especially before Veteran's day. Llewellyn's screed is yet another insult thrown at us veterans by the evil ones in this country.
I have news for you Llewellyn. We veterans won every major engagement with the VC and communist north. The military did NOT LOSE THE WAR....YOU and your ilk lost it here at home. Damn you to hell for that. You have that knowledge to carry with you for eternity.
Insults did happen to us upon our return from the war. Most of us were under orders to avoid provocations. Some of us could not.
Your evil against us is uncovered for all to see and it's ugliness has no redemption.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:06:15 PM PST
by
afnamvet
(Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom!)
To: mykdsmom
This is how the hippy dippy types who protested the war make themselves feel better about themselves. It's called denial.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:06:25 PM PST
by
McGavin999
(George Soros just learned a very expensive lesson-America can't be bought.)
To: kaferhaus
I spent the night in a California jail for beating the crap out of a "love child" that spit on me while I was waiting for my duffle bag at the airport luggage carosel. First, thanks for your service and second, thanks for "beating the crap out of a love child" for spitting on you, and third, thanks for validating my comments about kalifornica.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:10:12 PM PST
by
zip
((Remember: pingDimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of Americans))
To: kaferhaus
Thank you not only for your fine service to the USA, but for beating the snot out of a snot faced cretan.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:12:28 PM PST
by
GailA
(Praise GOD and our Lord Jesus GW won.)
To: marmar
Marine, no better friend, no worse enemy.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:13:04 PM PST
by
kellynla
(U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
To: mykdsmom; Chieftain; Naomi4
This is a very disturbing story. The " academic " dismisses the reality of returning Vietnam Vets as an "urban legend" and says "we should ignore anyone who tries to tell us otherwise". He is right that the "meaning of Vietnam is created through the stories we tell each other."
An entire generation accepted the "stories" John Kerry and his ilk told this country about our soldiers activities and who these men were. The entire country believed the lies..the "stories". There wasn't the chance to tell the "true stories" ..and there were no "embedded reporters". And John Kerry was never made to apologize, say that he had lied, so the "stories" were kept alive as true until the Swiftees broke through decades of the Big Lie.
This is the first time in our country's history since Vietnam War that the Truth, the stories of Truth have come out!
I would like this "so called communications academic" to get out of his cushy, ivory tower job to really get into "communications". I am not a Vietnam Vet. However I have been a psychotherapist for over 20 years and I have "communicated" with Vietnam Vets. Their reality is true. This academic has probably never heard of Post Traumatic Stress disorder. He has probably never heard the vet "stories" about how their return after the war really was. There was no validation about what they had been through and no recognition, and in addition they had to face Kerry's lies. Kerry's traitorous behavior was not just limited to the effects on soldiers and POW's in Vietnam, but also for those that never had any treatment for the reality of the war when they came home. And worse than that they had to "hide" who they were because they were not validated when they came home.
Today, when soldiers come home, we recognize the trauma they have been through and validate their honor and their pain and offer help and support. We help them see the true meaning of their valiant effort, hoping they can heal, not only physically but also psychologically and spiritually.
This academic, like John Kerry, continues the lies and dishonours brave soldiers. to do that is not just political drival....To do that is a crime against the soul.
Call me, Dr. LLewellyn. I'd be glad to "communicate" with you.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:15:16 PM PST
by
Recovering Ex-hippie
(Lola, the patriot dog , and I are getting over the flu...look out liberals!)
To: kellynla
K, I am a USAFR Medic, I have helped bring many of the Wounded Warriors home in the Air Mobility Rotations. Of all the service men I dealt with they are the service that sticks together and has each others back. I have worked with both the Reserves and Active and if I ever deployed into a war zone it would definitely be with you guys. Except that I am a girl. Either way I love Marine, even though I don't know if I could ever marry one......
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:18:59 PM PST
by
marmar
(Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
To: mykdsmom
I was told that solders on duty during Peace Protests and Civil Rights Marches were spit and urinated upon and had to take it, other wise they would of started a riot or two.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:19:12 PM PST
by
Mark was here
(My tag line was about to be censored.)
To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Support for our Viet Nam Vets ~ Bump!
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:20:10 PM PST
by
blackie
(Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
To: tophat9000
It is very likely that those born after 1962 or so have no idea how vile, arrogant,righteous, bullying, filthy, drug abusing and left-wing the anti-war "hippie" crowd of the 1960's was. These are types who screamed "my civil rights are being violated" at every opportunity, but make no mistake that if they had been in charge, everybody who disagreed with them would have ended up with a bullet in the head. Oh yes, I forgot the adjective "lawyerlike". Anything they did could be justified. There were millions of them. Where did they all go? Ever ask yourself that? They are mostly in their 50's now. You see them every day but probably don't realize it. My experience is that they make good money, dress well, live well in the 'burbs, and send their kids to good schools. Many became teachers or professors, both to escape military service and to infect the young with their natural born "wisdom", thus ensuring someone would always be around to legitimatize their actions. The farthest they will go in mentioning their past, in public, is saying, "I was against the war". You don't hear much about any organizations for them, or reunions, but every four years they tend to do one thing in common that allows them to consciously or subconsciously justify and legitimatize their past - they vote for the Democratic presidential nominee.
General Quarters, General Quarters
This is not a drill
All hands man your battle stations
General Quarters
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:22:50 PM PST
by
68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
(Hanoi Kerry calls Viet Nam Vets "war criminals" MSM and 99 US Senators agree What's our sentence?)
To: NormsRevenge
I came home from Viet Nam in June of '66 and was stationed at Ft Hamilton,Bklyn NY and Ft Wadsworth, Staten Island untill I ETS'd in April of '68.......The demonstartions were often and as roudy as New Yorkers can be,,,, Don't tell me about being SPIT AT AND TRASH THROWN AT ... you know not what you are talking about. Buy the way......Where were you during that time and weren't you watching the same media that we were ??
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:24:08 PM PST
by
RECON27
To: jwalsh07
Well my first thought was to be a bit caustic, but I wanted to make a point. I just know that when folks get in my face I really don't listen to their point of view. Just thought I would give the pointed headed little professor something to chew on. Am curious if he will respond.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:24:30 PM PST
by
ImpBill
(Twas a very good election for the Republic!)
To: mykdsmom
What we have here is the begining of the left's rewriting of history so they can bring someone like Kerry to the national level without this becoming a problem again.
Because now it can be said that this researcher of Urban legends found it not to be true.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:25:26 PM PST
by
stockpirate
(Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
To: stylin19a
spitting on returning servicemen happen ?
Yes. Did it happen a lot ?
as the exception, not the rule I think the story was spread with a broad brush.
I don't know where you were stationed after returning to CONUS but on the west coast (SF) and east coast (Fr Bragg NC) we WERE SPIT ON etc. So in my humble opinion, it was the rule not the exception. Maybe it depends on where you were while still in uniform.
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:26:05 PM PST
by
zip
((Remember: pingDimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of Americans))
To: mykdsmom
I have studied urban legends for nearly 20 years and have been certified as an expert on the subject in the federal courts...wow, a certified expert on urban legends - like most profs, he has his head up his a$$ - I was greeted with the epithet "babykiller" on my way through the SF airport in 1966, years before John Kerry even got the chance to rev up the anti-military hatred which I'm sure resulted in much worse, including spitting, by the time he was done - I myself might have been the target of such spitting had the United Airlines agent who was apparently outraged and offended by my uniform not been at some distance across the ticket counter from me - of course the fact that I was not actually returning from Vietnam, but from eighteen months at the medical center on Okinawa, makes the "babykiller" silliness all the more disgusting.....
SINK VIET CONG SHIP
HANOI KERRY PING
"MOUNT 52 : REPEAT"
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posted on
11/10/2004 5:29:15 PM PST
by
68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
(Hanoi Kerry calls Viet Nam Vets "war criminals" MSM and 99 US Senators agree What's our sentence?)
To: mykdsmom
However, most accounts of spitting emerged in the mid-1980s only after a newspaper columnist asked his readers who were Vietnam vets if they had been spit upon after the war (an odd and leading question to ask a decade after the war's end). The framing of the question seemed to beg for an affirmative answer. I haven't sent an email yet, but here's the one I'm thinking of:
Well sir, I have never been certified as anything by a Federal jury, but I have written enough articles for publication (and edited them) to know when someone is covering up for lack of research by talking in generalities. I happen to know who wrote the article. He was a fairly well-known columnist. The mention of his name, and the date of publication of his column, along with some kind of at least argumentative analysis showing the dates of publication of these accounts might lead me to believe you did some research on it. As it is, all you do is quote another individual. Further, your "research" which any 11th grade English teacher would reject out of hand, consists of reading a book written by someone else and regurgitating his claims. Where did you get your doctorate, Bill and Ted's Excellent Graduate School?
Does that work?
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