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The Antiwar Right Is Ready to Rumble
NY TIMES ^ | 11/8/04 | Kirkpatrick

Posted on 11/08/2004 9:37:29 AM PST by tpaine

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To: Fledermaus

Good grief. Another conclusion jumper.
~Reread~ my comment. I agree with Bush on why we must have bases in Iraq.

-- And if you still can't understand my position on letting Iraqi fundamentalists kill each other off, read more of the thread. I've explained my points ad nauseum to anyone willing to listen.
Few do.


121 posted on 11/08/2004 2:50:00 PM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Commie Basher
It sickens me that "conservatives" are likewise opting for smears over rational debate.

"Rational debate" does not mean citing "neoconservatives" as the enemy, and mentioning it as often as the Left cited "Halliburton". It is obviosu they mean "Jews". This has been widely discussed and debunked. Looks like you are late to the party. From your shrill tone I am not surprised.

122 posted on 11/08/2004 2:52:01 PM PST by montag813
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To: sinkspur
No it's not. Iraq belongs to the Iraqis.

These past few years, conservatism has gotten very strange. Many "conservatives" now behave like Leftist caricatures of conservativism.

123 posted on 11/08/2004 2:52:46 PM PST by Commie Basher
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To: johnandre
Theirs? They were handed a chunk of land by the European powers;

Which was not Europe's to hand to anyone.

Indeed, during World War One, the Allied Powers promised Arabs their independence if they'd join the Allies' fight against the Ottoman Turks. Then France and Britain reneged on that promise to the Arabs, and simply took the place of the Turkish rulers.

124 posted on 11/08/2004 2:57:43 PM PST by Commie Basher
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To: montag813
"Rational debate" does not mean citing "neoconservatives" as the enemy, and mentioning it as often as the Left cited "Halliburton". It is obviosu they mean "Jews".

No, it isn't. "Neoconservatism" is a word coined over 20 years ago. It refers to a conservative faction that is primarily concerned with an aggressive foreign policy, and little or not at all concerned with social issues.

Neoconservatives used to call themselves neoconservatives. Only recently did they start denying that neoconservatism even exists.

125 posted on 11/08/2004 3:03:08 PM PST by Commie Basher
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To: lentulusgracchus; tpaine

I knew that...it just didnt make a difference...I dont really care what his opinion is of me...
today is not a day to be dogging the armed forces about whether staying and fighting is right or wrong.. .. today is a day to be praying for them....its shameful he started this thread ...


126 posted on 11/08/2004 3:08:42 PM PST by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: montag813

To: tpaine

In other words, it is all about the JOOOOOOOOOOOS!

Same old garbage from Wahabbi-stooge Norquist and Friends.
4 montag813


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I'm not a friend of Norquist's faction.
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IOW, you can't argue the merits of our foreign policy, so you behave like a typical Leftist who reaches for the racism card.
Only instead of the racism card, you reach for the anti-Semitism card.


Whenever the Left can't answer an arguement, they scream racism, sexism or homophobia. It sickens me that "conservatives" are likewise opting for smears over rational debate.
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montag813 wrote:

"Rational debate" does not mean citing "neoconservatives" as the enemy, and mentioning it as often as the Left cited "Halliburton".

It is obviosu they mean "Jews".

This has been widely discussed and debunked. Looks like you are late to the party. From your shrill tone I am not surprised.

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NO one here is citing "neoconservatives" as the enemy, nor do they use 'neo' as meaning "Jews".

You're out of line, and also seem to be mentally out to lunch.


127 posted on 11/08/2004 3:09:03 PM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Joseph_CutlerUSA
They'd argue the war is ultimately to make the US safer.

Counter arguments can also be very easily made, so what?!

128 posted on 11/08/2004 3:21:11 PM PST by Ron H. (Amnesty. The one major single issue that surely will split apart the Republican party!)
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To: johnandre

'Libertarian autodidacts' was a good blow!

I must say, however, that you sound a bit like a freshman reading Spengler on righteous bud. ;^)


130 posted on 11/08/2004 3:26:15 PM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: tpaine
American Copperheads...

Grover Norquist:   "withdraw United States troops to safe citadels within Iraq or by handing Falluja over to the Iraqis and saying, 'It's your headache'.

Paul Weyrich:   "America is stuck in a guerrilla war with no end in sight...our real enemies, nonstate organizations such as Al Qaeda, are benefiting from the Arab and Islamic backlash against our occupation of an Islamic country."

The four rules of terrorism that the Copperhead pukes need to learn:

  1. There is no such thing as international terrorism that is NOT state sponsored. No exceptions.

  2. There is virtually NO Islamic state that does not sponsor terrorism.

  3. If you go to war with one Islamic terrorist organization or terror sponsoring state, you've gone to war with all of them. No exceptions.

  4. Terrorists have chosen to make their war a black flag battle to the death, they can only be defeated on the battlefield.
These Copperheads need to be loudly exposed as anti-American defeatists, and their counsel rejected as the path to the destruction of America.

--Boot Hill

132 posted on 11/08/2004 3:39:41 PM PST by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: johnandre
I had a reply to this post in composition when IExplore screwed me over........unfortunately, the window I had open on another site did an El Foldo when I tried to go back a page, and it took all the IE windows down with it. I had neglected my usual precaution of using different browsers for that very reason. Will get back to you.

Suffice it to say for now that your post would make great propaganda material for any enemy of the United States.

134 posted on 11/08/2004 3:44:43 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: ArmyBratCutie
ArmyBratCutie wrote:

--- today is not a day to be dogging the armed forces about whether staying and fighting is right or wrong.. ..

Weird, seeing I'm saying we should stay & fight. -- But we should NOT get GI's killed doing police work.

today is a day to be praying for them....its shameful he started this thread ...

No, it's shameful that you're irrationally hyping my point.

135 posted on 11/08/2004 3:55:32 PM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine

stop posting to me.....
I dont like you NOR your disregard for the safety of our Armed Forces.....


137 posted on 11/08/2004 4:27:51 PM PST by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: Capriole
That might have something to do with his views,

He is muslim.

138 posted on 11/08/2004 4:56:05 PM PST by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: Boot Hill
Boot Hill wrote:

American Copperheads...
Grover Norquist:   "withdraw United States troops to safe citadels within Iraq or by handing Falluja over to the Iraqis and saying, 'It's your headache'.

According to Kilpatrick, Grover Norquist is a strategist "close to the administration."
Norquists suggestions: withdrawing United States troops to safe citadels within Iraq or by "handing Falluja over to the Iraqis and saying, 'It's your headache.' "

The four rules of terrorism that the Copperhead pukes need to learn:

There is no such thing as international terrorism that is NOT state sponsored. No exceptions.

Thats why I support the Bush decision to establish bases in Iraq, and fight terrorism from them until we win.

There is virtually NO Islamic state that does not sponsor terrorism.

Thats why we are in Iraq, in the middle of them.

If you go to war with one Islamic terrorist organization or terror sponsoring state, you've gone to war with all of them. No exceptions.

Yes indeed. We're in the right place, and we intend to stay there.

Terrorists have chosen to make their war a black flag battle to the death, they can only be defeated on the battlefield.

Policing rival tribal factions in Iraq is "the black flag battlefield"? Can you elaborate on that point?

139 posted on 11/08/2004 5:12:24 PM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: ArmyBratCutie

Stop posting to me. I don't like your disregard for the truth.


140 posted on 11/08/2004 5:15:41 PM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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