PRESIDENTIAL Election Returns, November 2, 2004 - LIVE THREAD (Please ONLY Discuss Prez Race Here)

November 1, 2004

[iceinject]

If Kerry wins...
Count among the happy: Homosexuals & Lesbians, United Nations and thier ilk, Hardcore Feminists, Activist Judges, Planned ParentHood, Communist Party Of America, Socialist Party of America, Catholics For Kerry, Americans For Kerry, Main Stream Media, NEA, IRS, Pornographers.... Need more?

You forgot a few big ones...

Osama Bin Laden
Saddham Hussein
Arafat
Hammas
French, German, Russian and Chinese arms dealers
Neo-Nazis

[slyfoxvirden]

Two of the first states to close early and start reporting results are Indiana and Kentucky. Bot are likely to go big for Bush, but watch for the congressional races. Connecticut is also an early state to report results.

[WVNan]

I am watching Kerry's appearance in Cleveland on C-Span (I know, I'm a masocist), and the crowd is pretty pitiful compared to the President's crowds. There may be 6-7,000 from what I can see, and the cheering doesn't sound real. You know, it sounds like practiced cheering with no enthusiasm. You don't see the thousands of hands reaching for him like they do in the Bush crowds. Kerry's body language toward the crowd reminds one of the gestures that a king makes toward his subjects. This is the first time I've held my breath and watched him. I wanted to see if I could "read" him and his crowd. I've seen enough. Oh man....you should see the mess the people left on the field! We Bush supporters wouldn't dream of leaving a Bush/Cheney sign behind.

[aroostook war]

Might be some of that Cuyahoga "walking-around" Crack.

[freecopper01]

WOW! I was only thinking of the 'in-country' allies he's got! Yes, since the U.N. is located in New York, I had to count it as 'in-country' for this purpose.... Great additions you have given the list!

[trentonrevolution]

okay, let me do a plug for our site, we're seeing NJ going:
President Bush: 54%
Senator Kerry: 41%
Ralph Nader: 3%
Other: 2%
+/- 5%
taken from Newark, Cape May, Trenton, Asbury Park, Toms River, Morristown, Somerville, Phillipsburg, Newton
Our concern, of course, as yours may be, margin of error. trentonrevolution This was privately funded poll and you are seeing it here first.
Just remember a few things:
1. Vote
2. Vote Bush
3. Bring a friend to vote Bush
4. If you did everything you could and feel comfortable, you could have done on thing more.
5. Our side knows what's at stake, don't ever forget that.
Every day, I thank God for the blessing of being born in the United States of America.
Thank you again for your support of trentonrevolution. Signing off from the Free Republic Threads,

[Byron Norris]

Same here my friend ... the affection for the President and the country runs the same for me personally ... he is a great President and a man I served under honorably for four years. Love ya Dubya! Here is to another four years!

[NYURepublican]

VICTORY BEGINS HERE AT HOME!!

GET OUT AND VOTE!

UGH that retarded ACLU Patriot Act commercial. Why cant ACLU just admit its a fascit organization???!??!?!?!

I still cant believe they supported NAZIS!

[lt.america]

at 1100 Primetime (Public Affairs) is scheduled to be shown for one hour, but I don't know what is on after that

[ohioGOP]

I'm with you there. I love and respect him too. He's a wonderful person and I think God's on his side.

[freecopper01]

I have a fur coat from the turn of the century, and if Kerry gets into office it might be on the endangered list! He's dangerous to dead critters as well as to living humans! Come to think of it, dead people are probably not all that safe either, if he decides they're no use to him or his party! Sigh. You'd think I had no respect for the person....

[ohioGOP]

Do you mean the NAACP crack?

[BurbankKarl]

That isnt what I read in the Wall Street Journal...given the MSM's "accuracy" in the past...I will questions a lot of the numbers...

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Now Mr. Mitofsky, a veteran pollster, is back and working for National Election Pool, a new consortium of Viacom Inc.'s CBS, News Corp.'s Fox News Channel, Walt Disney Co.'s ABC, General Electric Co.'s NBC, Time Warner Inc.'s CNN and the Associated Press. NEP hired Mr. Mitofsky and another polling veteran, Joe Lenski, who heads Edison Media Research.

The two main tasks of the old VNS -- collecting actual election results and conducting exit polls -- have now been separated. Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International are conducting exit polls and collecting returns from sample precincts -- early indicators that give media organizations an idea of which way a particular state or city is headed. The Associated Press is separately responsible for reporting vote counts as they are tallied at county election sites.

If the new system works the way it is supposed to, throughout Election Day, Edison and Mitofsky interviewers will speak to voters as they leave about 1,500 precincts, asking them whom they voted for and why. The "why" part will be analyzed later, but the "whos" will be tallied and shipped out to give news organizations a first look at where the race is headed.

As soon as the polls close, actual returns will flow from more than 3,000 sample precincts in the 50 states -- a much more accurate early indicator. The pollsters will fold into that data the results from pre-election-day telephone polls of early or absentee voters in 13 states -- 10 more states than in 2000, reflecting the increased prevalence of early voting and voting by mail.

Meanwhile, the AP will dispatch 5,000 stringers to county election sites, who will phone in official returns to 16 vote-collection centers. The first states to report will be Indiana and Kentucky, where polls close at 6 p.m. Eastern time. But in hotly contested states, or states with balloting problems, results could take many hours, even days, to dribble in.

One significant change from four years ago, says Mr. Mitofsky, is that the vote-counting database will automatically compare live AP data from the county election offices to increments that the news organization had previously reported. That should help to avoid debacles such as when Volusia County, Fla., reported a sudden vote surge for President Bush in 2000 -- a "red flag" indicating a glitch that would immediately jump out this year, Mr. Lenski says, because the patterns would be clearly laid out in the data, highlighting any aberrations. "In 2000, there was no way to notice that," Mr. Mitofksy says.

As the information flows in, Messrs. Mitofsky and Lenski will plug it into their computer system and pass it through models to produce calculations. The pollsters will review the results and make judgments. But in a major change from the VNS system, the news outlets will be able to see precinct-level data in real time, giving them access to the early numbers that they couldn't see in previous years. "They may make different judgments than we make about the very same results," Mr. Mitofsky says.

The networks also want to prevent decision making spurred by a competitor's call -- as was the case in 2000 when Fox News called Florida for President Bush before the other networks. Inside CBS, according to the network's report on the coverage, there was frustration when Fox beat everyone to calling Florida, and hence the election, for President Bush.

This year, everyone working at NBC News's decision desk and its quality-control desk will not be able to watch the other broadcast and cable networks. Whether such a move will really eliminate the pressure of being influenced by rival channels remains to be seen. Even if the people at the decision desk don't know what the competitors are doing, others at the network will, and if a rival makes a call that the others don't, questions will be asked.

Among the changes at CBS, the network will move its decision desk into its studio to make communications among reporters, producers and analysts easier. The network is also fine-tuning its phrasing for races where it can't yet make a call. The network says it wants to use "more precise language" to describe tight races such as "too close to estimate" or "not enough votes to estimate."

Fox News is bolstering the number of crews it will send out around the country to 20, from 15 in 2000. It also plans to conduct its own voter polls in addition to using the National Election Pool.

NBC, which will be broadcasting from Manhattan's Rockefeller Center in a studio it has dubbed Democracy Plaza -- sponsored by Bank of America Corp. -- has an additional safeguard: It has set up a toll-free hotline for voters to phone with any problems or irregularities they observe.

[Seattle Conservative]

Isn't FL in 2 time zones?

[NYURepublican]

Im watching Hardball righ tnow and Chris Mathews son is singing. Man he is an UGLY kid!

[Dont Mention the War]

lol....your pings are going to suck like no one's pings have ever sucked before.

I live for pings!

[Byron Norris]

The only thing is ... it's not going to happen. Kerry won't win!

VOTE PEOPLE! VOTE! WE'RE GOING TO WIN THIS THING! NOW IS THE TIME! BE POSITIVE AND STAY COURAGEOUS!

[capydick]

That's some uplifting information there friend, thanks. Will be taking the morning off to continue working the phones and making sure to GOTV in my development. Unfortunately, I'll have to get back to work at noon to attend to things.

[NYC Republican]

Check out the latest weather forecast for Ohio and the surrounding areas... Heavy rain in Cleveland and Cincy, Detroit, possibly Pittsburgh...

3 VERY important states... if these cities get rained on heavily, it could surpress the Dem vote... Couple this with the gay-marriage initiative, and they're VERY much in play.

[freecopper01]

Goodness, Yes. I just hope those Republicans STAY IN LINE until the offices are actually closed by the people in charge and DO NOT LISTEN to anyone else!