Vote for Peroutka or Badnarik?

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | November 1, 2004 | David Kupelian

[Hank Rearden]

We should make a list!

Ohhhh - great idea! A FR Enemies List!

It'll come in handy later, during your Purge.

[Howlin]

If I had the power to purge, FR wouldn't be as slow as it is today.

[Bella_Bru]

I am SOOOOOOOOO tired of hearing that a vote for a third party is a vote for the Democrats.

The most amusing part is after the election, when those same folks will scream, "The other guy would have been worse". C'mon. Get something positive to say about what your candidate will do or STFU. All you are doing is blowing smoke.

[Romulus]

No, I'm referring to a different tragedy. The tragedy that idealistic, patriotic, constitutionally minded Christian Americans very possibly will be the ones that actually turn over this nation to Kerry

BS. If Bush loses, it'll be because he threw away his presidency on a failed gamble that was never worth the risk.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

You have picked no side. We are at war her (metaphorically speaking) and you are dressed up in a clown suit, frolicking in the woods next door!

I'd rather be in a clown suit frolicking in the woods than to be demanding respect while on my knees servicing my 'man'.

Voting for a third party might make you feel good but it does NOTHING to change anything.

So, in 1992, GHW Bush lost the election because he failed to convince a majority of voters that he was the best man for the job?

Congratulations! You're one of the few Republicans who believe that Perot did NOT cause Bush to lose.

[Bella_Bru]

Just a question. After the election, when Bush wins (because I believe he will), will we be allowed to criticize anything or will we be told, "Kerry would have been worse"? Will we see total Bush supporters willing to admit that government has not shrunk at all? That things are not going as well as hoped? Or will there be more of the same shit about not bitching about Bush?

[okkev68]

Amen. The GOP needs a wake up call. Ross Perot served as a warning signal in 92 but the RINO's didn't take it to heart. Instead they keep moving to the left.

The RNC has created the same problem the Democraps have had for years. A battle between the extremists and the centrists. But for the survival of our country, the centrists cannot continue to win.

[Hank Rearden]

The goal is to MOVE the government in your direction

So, what direction has the country moved since the Republicans took control of everything? Let's see:

- Is the government bigger or smaller?
- Is government spending bigger or smaller?
- Is the deficit bigger or smaller?
- Is the debt bigger or smaller?
- Education Dept. gone, as promised?
- Energy Dept. gone, as promised?
- Commerce Dept. gone, as promised?
- NEA gone, as promised?
- Out of Bosnia yet?

Want more?

The Republicans begged and pleaded for conservatives to ignore third parties, vote for them to get change, and give them a chance.

What have they done with that chance to run everything? Why would we want more of what they've done? They're so corrupted now that they don't even both talking about reforming government anymore.

[Howlin]

Nobody here thinks things are going as good as they could be.

And nobody's been able to stop you all from criticizing him for the past five years; why would it stop now?

Unless, of course, you expect to be able to rant about Bush unchallenged; is that what you want? You want to be able to criticize him without anybody defending him?

[MonaMars]

"Again, if more people voted their comscience instead of being scared by scaremongers saying, (paraphrasing) "If you don't vote for who I want you to vote for it will be your fault if the person who I don't want to win does win and screws our country royally.", maybe we wouldn't have to cast a vote for the, "lesser of two evils"."

Your thought processes on this issue resemble nothing so much as the way hard left folks think. (Capitalism/globalism is evil and so I will always be against it even when it is engaged in battle against totalitarian or islamo-fascist regimes. I refuse to act responsibly bcse the world is not the way I wish it would be.) It's an infantile emotional temper tantrum disguised as political principle.

The smart conservatives assess the reality of the situation today and act strategically. Their decisions are not guided by some utopian mental construct where no one ever needs to make hard decisions.

Go ahead. Vote your lofty conscience, Just remember that the next president will appoint possibly 3 supreme court justices, locking in the direction in which this country travels for the next quarter century, If it's Kerry, your dream of a world where no one has to vote for the lesser of two evils will be deader than Hilary Clinton's eyes.

[Hank Rearden]

Unfortunately many conservative Christians will vote for Peroutka

Why is that unfortunate?

I'm starting to come to the conclusion that it'll be much easier to force Kerry to fight terrorism than to force Bush to reform Big Stupid Government.

[Liberalism=MentalDisorder]

There will be a fight for the GOP either way, that much is assured. There are plenty of real conservatives who are sick and tired of the neocon RINO behavior of the GOP and they will be held accountable for this. Just so you all know, Bush plans to push the FTAA agreement through after re-election when you are all still drunk on his win. If that passes, our "fight to seal the borders" is OVER. There will be no more borders.

[KevinDavis]

What to get rid of the terrorisism threat???

[ApesForEvolution]

The dye is cast...if you're working to effectively get John Kerry elected, then *YOU* are the enemy...

[nickcarraway]

BUMP

[DrDavid]

If a third, fourth, ... party wanted to grow and make an influence in the US elections they need to use a different strategy. I suggest that they organize and run candidates in local elections where they would have a good chance to win. In the bigger elections they should find the candidates that are closest to their platform and support them. This way the can merge their platform with the mainstream parties. As they grow they can become one of the big two.

Jumping in and running for the top seat will not succeed. I f the third party wins, they will not have anybody to work with in Congress. (Look at what happened in Minnesota with Jesse Ventura as Governor.) Shutting out both of the big parties guarantees that they will always be a minority party.

[GmbyMan]

A vote for a third party is WORSE than not voting. At least when people don't vote, they feel guilt. I get the feeling that those that vote third party feel real, real good about themselves. Unfortunately, their vote, other than enhancing their own ego, leads to NOTHING HAPPENING in the political process. Your vote for the Constipation Party or the Losertarian Party results in NOT ONE SINGLE LESS PENNY SPENT BY THE GOVERNMENT.

On the other hand, let's talk about the ideas proposed by those parties. Small l libertarian ideas are taken seriously by one party and only one party. One party is the one that wants to move towards private social security accounts, health savings accounts and vouchers. One party is realistic enough to know that these programs will never go away so the goal is find a way to inject some kind of capitalism into them. Only one party.

The other party simply believes in throwing money at the problem. An endless and never ending supply of money. Money that is gleamed from taxing people more and more and more. One party is opposed to increased taxation. In only ONE party is there a debate over whether we should reform the tax system towards a flat tax or a consumption tax! One party. Only one. You want to participate in a party that gets things done, even if they are far from pure, than you vote Republican, you give money to primary candidates you support, you work for them and vote for them when need be.

One of the most exasperatingly things I see here is that the view point of Freepers has a ton of influence on the Republican Party. Without Freepers, people like Pat Toomey and Herman Cain would not have even gotten close. Without Freepers, John McCain would have been the nominee for President in 2000. Without freepers, we would not have seen Bill Simon and Brett Schundler win primaries in California and New Jersey. We have an influence in the electoral process, more than most. We may not always win but the battle MUST be fought within the system. Going to a third party is going to do nothing to change the existing party. Nothing.

Join with me in trying to keep (or, if you prefer, move) the Republican Party in the realm of strict constructionism by continuing to argue your viewpoint within that structure. Going outside does nothing to advance your cause.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Tired old fear tactic, pulled out every election by the Demopublicans to scare Americans into voting for the status quo. Ain't a dime's worth of differnce between these two Yale school statists.

[ApesForEvolution]

Nov. 3rd, or the day after whatever day we know Bush is elected, but not until then. A lot of people's eyes have been opened and I have to believe the ranks of RINOs and CINOs are much less than they were.

It's Extreme Conservativism ONLY that can move this country back to viability long term, and more and more people are seeing what we are up against - World Communism Conspiracy, involving: Big Media, Hollywood, the UN, the DNC, "Moderate" "Republicans" like Chuck Hagel, Europe, etc...

Fantasyville people and elitist GOP power-trippers need to grow up and if it's never too late...or is it?

[mcg1969]

Then change the party, for crying out loud! You're not going to effect ANY positive political change by voting for a third party---in fact, in this election there's a fair chance you'll effect NEGATIVE political change. How in the heck does THAT serve your cause?

"Well, hey, changing the party is hard work, and would take a long time. We don't have that kind of time." Who would you be kidding if you said that? You're supporting a party with single-digit support. Third-party influence isn't going to work any faster than internal party struggles.

Sorry Hank, this is a tug-of-war. The rope has only two ends, and you've gotta choose a side and PULL. If you think the rope's going the wrong direction, you've gotta pull harder. You're just pulling sideways instead.

I'll tell you what, I for one would LOVE to see the Green party up at 10% or so. That would be GREAT for the Republicans.