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Vote for Peroutka or Badnarik?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | November 1, 2004 | David Kupelian

Posted on 11/01/2004 9:16:28 AM PST by SeasideSparrow

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To: mcg1969
Wrong. Unlike you, I'm still in the real fight---I'm not enganged in some quixotic third-party misadventure. I vote strategically, and it counts every single time.

Unless my vote cancels yours.

See how it works?

Now imagine what could've happened if Bush had convinced me that he was the best man for the job.

141 posted on 11/01/2004 1:38:06 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: rightgrafix
I'm sorry to say ANY third party vote now is a wasted vote. VOTE BUSH!!!!

You might've been more convincing had you used more exclamation points.

Four isn't enough to convince me that Bush is the right man for the job.

142 posted on 11/01/2004 1:39:14 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

"You just can't admit the truth and would rather blame third-party boogeymen for the incompetence of your own party."

Actually, the parties (Rep and Dem) incompetence have made the 3rd party candidate in the last three presedential elections important. A strong 3rd party in the future will have both the dems and republicans kissing some serious butt.


143 posted on 11/01/2004 1:40:40 PM PST by politicalwit (They want your vote... but not your voice.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Unless my vote cancels yours.

No. A vote for a third-party candidate that has no chance of winning does not CANCEL votes in the least. If you voted for Kerry, THAT would cancel my vote.

All you're doing with your wasted vote is increasing the likelihood that this country moves even further away from your political beliefs than it already is.

144 posted on 11/01/2004 1:41:47 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: politicalwit
A strong 3rd party candidatein the future will have both the dems and republicans kissing some serious butt.

Let me amend that.
It won't even have to be the third party, just a strong third party candidate.
Sorta like Ross Perot was.

145 posted on 11/01/2004 1:43:13 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

VOTE BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


146 posted on 11/01/2004 1:43:33 PM PST by rightgrafix
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To: Just another Joe

Joe, you have a good point. Perot was NOT a third party candidate in the traditional sense of the word. He tried to form a party around his candidacy after the fact but it has proven a miserable failure. Without the ascendancy of a similar fluke of a candidate, they're never going to hit Perot levels.


147 posted on 11/01/2004 1:46:39 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969
No. A vote for a third-party candidate that has no chance of winning does not CANCEL votes in the least. If you voted for Kerry, THAT would cancel my vote.

Of course it does. That's how GHW Bush got unelected in 1992. How many votes for GHW Bush counted in 1992 after he lost the election? Not a single one.

All you're doing with your wasted vote is increasing the likelihood that this country moves even further away from your political beliefs than it already is.

No, voting on principles is never a waste. Sometimes, people are even willing to die for their principles. I know this is a foreign concept to a party hack like yourself, but the truth is that Americans do all kinds of things even when there's no chance of winning.

Has electing candidates from your party moved the country closer to your political beliefs or further away? Be honest.

148 posted on 11/01/2004 1:48:57 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: mcg1969

"Without the ascendancy of a similar fluke of a candidate, they're never going to hit Perot levels."

The thing about politics is you just never know. That "fluke" candidate could be waiting in 2008.


149 posted on 11/01/2004 1:51:30 PM PST by politicalwit (They want your vote... but not your voice.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Bush lost because he failed to convince a majority of the voters that he was the best man for the job.

That's right. Some voted for Joe Schmuck, and HW lost.

150 posted on 11/01/2004 1:54:50 PM PST by Mr Ducklips
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To: mcg1969
Without the ascendancy of a similar fluke of a candidate, they're never going to hit Perot levels.

The way both the major partys are going, that fluke of a candidate could come into play fairly easy in 2008.

151 posted on 11/01/2004 1:55:50 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
No, voting on principles is never a waste. Sometimes, people are even willing to die for their principles. I know this is a foreign concept to a party hack like yourself, but the truth is that Americans do all kinds of things even when there's no chance of winning.

Oh please, spare me the melodrama. If people were willing to die for the belief that if they just jumped far enough off a tall building, they could actually fly, I would not hold them in any particular esteem for the passion of their convictions.

Or, to use a more relevant analogy, if the American revolutionaries did not have guns, they wouldn't have fought. You are choosing a battle plan that is fatally flawed, so your claim that you're fighting on principle is worthless.

Has electing candidates from your party moved the country closer to your political beliefs or further away? Be honest.

Paradoxically, it did during the CLINTON era! So yes, at times it most certainly has, and I believe it will again---particularly as the Senate becomes more minority-party-proof. I am not looking for instant gratification here, this is a longer struggle. (And to be fair to you I know you appreciate that as well.)

In my opinion you should be very concerned about the effect the next four years is going to have on the Supreme Court. A Kerry presidency will do incredible further damage to that institution and prevent it from being saved for decades.

152 posted on 11/01/2004 1:59:34 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: Just another Joe
Damn straight. The "war" metaphor is, indeed, apt. Voters can support America (by voting for Michael Badnarik) or they can oppose America (by voting for Bush, Kerry or any of the other vile anti-American candidates). Better to support America and lose than to play Benedict Arnold and "win."
153 posted on 11/01/2004 2:06:24 PM PST by TLKnapp
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Ol'Dan Tucker said: "No, voting on principles is never a waste. Sometimes, people are even willing to die for their principles. I know this is a foreign concept to a party hack like yourself, but the truth is that Americans do all kinds of things even when there's no chance of winning."

Winning? What about winning for the unborn?

Aren't they worth it?

I think winning for them is critically important.

I see no "principles" in failing to do good when you have freedom to. Bush is the ONLY candidate who can help the unborn. Peroutka hasn't a chance.


154 posted on 11/01/2004 2:07:28 PM PST by SeasideSparrow
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To: stuartcr

If you don't think your opinion is worth a vote, it's not worth discussing it.


155 posted on 11/01/2004 2:12:54 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Ol' Dan---you may have the last word (and I promise I will read it). I love my debates hot and fast but now I gotta cool off and get back to work. Take care


156 posted on 11/01/2004 2:13:40 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: TLKnapp

That's a great picture ;)


157 posted on 11/01/2004 2:28:17 PM PST by Capitalism2003 (America is too great for small dreams. - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: mcg1969

I had a long long email in my inbox urging me to vote the constitution party this year. Their reasoning was since I was in a red state, I was wasting my vote and a vote for the constitution party would send a message to Washington. Needless to say, I voted for GWB.


158 posted on 11/01/2004 2:33:02 PM PST by beckysueb (REMEMBER: You better hope we don't win!)
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To: Capitalism2003

Quoth Capitalism2003:

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That's a great picture ;)
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Glad you liked it -- it's a couple of our campaign volunteers and their children. Snapped it yesterday here at the campaign HQ in Austin.

Regards,
Tom Knapp


159 posted on 11/01/2004 2:33:04 PM PST by TLKnapp
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To: SeasideSparrow

How can this be possible? All I ever hear from anyone on FR is that the LP is irrelevant.


160 posted on 11/01/2004 2:34:32 PM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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