Posted on 11/01/2004 9:16:28 AM PST by SeasideSparrow
Unless my vote cancels yours.
See how it works?
Now imagine what could've happened if Bush had convinced me that he was the best man for the job.
You might've been more convincing had you used more exclamation points.
Four isn't enough to convince me that Bush is the right man for the job.
"You just can't admit the truth and would rather blame third-party boogeymen for the incompetence of your own party."
Actually, the parties (Rep and Dem) incompetence have made the 3rd party candidate in the last three presedential elections important. A strong 3rd party in the future will have both the dems and republicans kissing some serious butt.
No. A vote for a third-party candidate that has no chance of winning does not CANCEL votes in the least. If you voted for Kerry, THAT would cancel my vote.
All you're doing with your wasted vote is increasing the likelihood that this country moves even further away from your political beliefs than it already is.
Let me amend that.
It won't even have to be the third party, just a strong third party candidate.
Sorta like Ross Perot was.
VOTE BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe, you have a good point. Perot was NOT a third party candidate in the traditional sense of the word. He tried to form a party around his candidacy after the fact but it has proven a miserable failure. Without the ascendancy of a similar fluke of a candidate, they're never going to hit Perot levels.
Of course it does. That's how GHW Bush got unelected in 1992. How many votes for GHW Bush counted in 1992 after he lost the election? Not a single one.
All you're doing with your wasted vote is increasing the likelihood that this country moves even further away from your political beliefs than it already is.
No, voting on principles is never a waste. Sometimes, people are even willing to die for their principles. I know this is a foreign concept to a party hack like yourself, but the truth is that Americans do all kinds of things even when there's no chance of winning.
Has electing candidates from your party moved the country closer to your political beliefs or further away? Be honest.
"Without the ascendancy of a similar fluke of a candidate, they're never going to hit Perot levels."
The thing about politics is you just never know. That "fluke" candidate could be waiting in 2008.
That's right. Some voted for Joe Schmuck, and HW lost.
The way both the major partys are going, that fluke of a candidate could come into play fairly easy in 2008.
Oh please, spare me the melodrama. If people were willing to die for the belief that if they just jumped far enough off a tall building, they could actually fly, I would not hold them in any particular esteem for the passion of their convictions.
Or, to use a more relevant analogy, if the American revolutionaries did not have guns, they wouldn't have fought. You are choosing a battle plan that is fatally flawed, so your claim that you're fighting on principle is worthless.
Has electing candidates from your party moved the country closer to your political beliefs or further away? Be honest.
Paradoxically, it did during the CLINTON era! So yes, at times it most certainly has, and I believe it will again---particularly as the Senate becomes more minority-party-proof. I am not looking for instant gratification here, this is a longer struggle. (And to be fair to you I know you appreciate that as well.)
In my opinion you should be very concerned about the effect the next four years is going to have on the Supreme Court. A Kerry presidency will do incredible further damage to that institution and prevent it from being saved for decades.
Ol'Dan Tucker said: "No, voting on principles is never a waste. Sometimes, people are even willing to die for their principles. I know this is a foreign concept to a party hack like yourself, but the truth is that Americans do all kinds of things even when there's no chance of winning."
Winning? What about winning for the unborn?
Aren't they worth it?
I think winning for them is critically important.
I see no "principles" in failing to do good when you have freedom to. Bush is the ONLY candidate who can help the unborn. Peroutka hasn't a chance.
If you don't think your opinion is worth a vote, it's not worth discussing it.
Ol' Dan---you may have the last word (and I promise I will read it). I love my debates hot and fast but now I gotta cool off and get back to work. Take care
That's a great picture ;)
I had a long long email in my inbox urging me to vote the constitution party this year. Their reasoning was since I was in a red state, I was wasting my vote and a vote for the constitution party would send a message to Washington. Needless to say, I voted for GWB.
Quoth Capitalism2003:
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That's a great picture ;)
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Glad you liked it -- it's a couple of our campaign volunteers and their children. Snapped it yesterday here at the campaign HQ in Austin.
Regards,
Tom Knapp
How can this be possible? All I ever hear from anyone on FR is that the LP is irrelevant.
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