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Feds pay visit, launch invasive species attack
Bend.com news ^ | October 29, 2004 | From Bend.com news sources

Posted on 10/29/2004 5:14:37 PM PDT by farmfriend

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To: F.J. Mitchell
Do we have a southern border any more? With an estimated 10% of the Mexican population now living in the U.S. and more coming every day, you really can't call that a border. But at least the wages that Mexican illegals send home are the single largest national source of income for Mexico so we support their notoriously corrupt government.

And if you didn't get the kudzu joke, here's a good reference: Growing Kudzu

21 posted on 10/29/2004 5:52:47 PM PDT by xJones
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To: hinckley buzzard
Natural Process

This book proposes a free-market environmental management system designed to deliver a product that is superior to government oversight, at lower cost. It provides examples illustrating how the system might work and proposes an implementing legal strategy. Though environmental in origin, the principles this book describes are applicable toward privatizing nearly any form of government regulation.

This book examines where we are going and what to do about it from the perspective of an amateur ecologist developing habitat restoration processes as a hobby. By profession, the author is a medical device engineer, representing neither of the polar opposites of the environmental debate. The combination of multinational regulatory, industrial, and "hands-on" experience is sadly lacking in policy development all too often dominated by lawyers, activists, or other interest groups. The goal is to introduce a system design, capable of reversing the growing reach of regulatory government and motivating the human and ecological benefits through the responsible expression of individual liberty.

As a representative of the California State Grange, I support this book and it's program as a way to promote Grange grass roots policy. Founded in 1867, the Grange is the oldest general farm and public policy organization in the United States.

22 posted on 10/29/2004 5:57:53 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Suppose you did, because you didn't want them infesting your land, doing whatever bad things it is that they do. What are the free market solutions available to you?

Now the simple answer. LAWSUIT! Read the book, you'll like it.

23 posted on 10/29/2004 6:00:42 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

And just so you know, your senario has actually happened to the author of the book.


24 posted on 10/29/2004 6:06:14 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

Thanks for the responses. I will look up the book. But in the meantime, let's say I'm the out-Eastern investor. I say "Screw it, you don't like my weeds, kiss my asset-- move. I didn't put those barkbeetles there, its an act of God, and what right do you have to tell me I have to do something about them? Hey, I LIKE barkbeetles- they remind me of my mother-in-law (arf-arf.)"

What do you sue me for?


25 posted on 10/29/2004 6:06:54 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: farmfriend

BTW, we still have a few Grangers here in Ohio! I think they're mostly pretty old though-- along with the Oddfellows.


26 posted on 10/29/2004 6:14:43 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: farmfriend

As a landowner, I have mixed feelings on this one. On one hand, I like to keep the government out of my business. OTOH, I cannot control the invasive species on my land if my neighbor does not also control it on his land. Most farmers/ranchers are good caretakers of the land, but a few are not. And, when it comes to invasive species, a few can undo the work of many.

I think some laws are needed to protect the land...but it seems like it could be handled at the state level...


27 posted on 10/29/2004 6:16:47 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: hinckley buzzard
From the web site:

There is currently no objective estimate of the financial worth of ecosystem assets. The proposed system generates the necessary accounting data as part of the conduct of certified operations. The capital value of ecosystem resources derives from accounting records of habitat restoration, research experiments, and hazard mitigation projects. The process yields the replacement cost of ecosystem elements necessary to an accurate assessment of the insured assets at risk. This is similar to the manner in which industrial insurers developed our understanding of financial risk through direct measurement of the scope and probability of an insured loss. That data serves other valuable purposes within the system.

Environmental malpractice and the replacement costs of your ecosystem!

28 posted on 10/29/2004 6:18:48 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: cripplecreek

You forgot to mention wild grape. I've been battling it for 20 years up here in the north, and I plan to have a go at it again tomorrow. It destroys our maple trees and other growth. It's roots must be a deep as China, and it's impossible to control.


29 posted on 10/29/2004 6:19:03 PM PDT by kitkat ("The democrats would rather win the WH than the war." - Tom DeLay)
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To: hinckley buzzard

The Legislative Director for the Ohio State Grange and I are good friends. We have done lobbying together in DC. Great gal.


30 posted on 10/29/2004 6:19:53 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: goldfinch
OTOH, I cannot control the invasive species on my land if my neighbor does not also control it on his land.

This is true and the same problem the author has. He does have a solution. No government needed. See my post #28.

The author is currently on vacation or he would be here answering your question.

31 posted on 10/29/2004 6:22:01 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: xJones

OH, okay,Kudzu-my favorite comic strip!!!!

Just kidding. Kudzu the vine from hell. Just like those other invaders from below where we once had a border, Kudzu was introduced to America as the miracle cure for the erosion that was turning the south into gullies that could be challenging Grand Canyon today as the biggest gulley in America, if not for Kudzu. Trouble is that the weed is worse than the washouts.

THose from down yonder came here highly praised as ready to do all those jobs that American's supposedly too uppity to do. Now they are filling jobs that Americans would be happy to do, if they could get them at a wage they could survive on.


32 posted on 10/29/2004 6:25:56 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Don't fear the threats of Bin Laden-fear instead the promises of John Kerry.)
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To: cripplecreek
Some people like so called invasive species. The economy of Napa county gets a huge boost every year when they hold the Mustard festival.

The point is, you must be able to control your own property. It is antithetical to the Constitution for the government to tell you what you can and cannot grow.

It is also unnatural to try to control the environment so precisely. Plants travel naturally into different environments, and their populations boom and bust naturally too. Frequently, when you have governments trying to microscopically control populations, you get environmental disaster. It doesn't hurt them if someone's property is destroyed by it, the property owners still have to pay their taxes after all.
33 posted on 10/29/2004 6:33:01 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: kitkat

The Wild grape I have growing around here are native. In fact I live on the Raisin river, named after the grape vines that run rampant over everything.

Ive read that the first white men to travel in this area of Michigan were horrified by it.


34 posted on 10/29/2004 6:33:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (We've turned the corner and we're not smokin crack.)
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To: AuntB
Prineville? Nothin' but sagebrush in Prineville and a few stragly junipers, what's left to kill? Did I miss something?

Ten years ago, 14 people died fighting a fire on Storm King Mountain near Glenwood Springs, CO. Nine of those who died were members of the Prineville Hot Shots. I've never been to Prineville, but since that day, I have felt very protective of it. I can never hear the name without saying a prayer for those who were killed and for their families. I know it is not what you meant, but when you ask 'Whats left to kill', I could not help but thinking of those who were killed...

35 posted on 10/29/2004 6:58:00 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: farmfriend

Wait a minute... aren't the greenpissers an invasive species?


36 posted on 10/29/2004 7:38:07 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

Aren't Liberals in General?


37 posted on 10/29/2004 7:49:30 PM PDT by John Will
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To: farmfriend

Don't they know that America is the land of immigrants?


38 posted on 10/29/2004 8:18:03 PM PDT by eclectic (Falluja delenda est)
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To: kitkat

"I've been battling it for 20 years up here in the north, and I plan to have a go at it again tomorrow."

I defeated a couple acres of wild grape. The key is persistence. I didn't want to use herbicide, so every year I would take my lopping shears and cut off every vine I could find right at ground level--several times a summer, at least, at the start.

Every year I repeated the process, and every year it came back but a little weaker. the trees grew taller, and straightened up. It took about fifteen years, but I now (fifteen years plus ten) have a fine stand of hardwood trees. Some have a few twisted branches at the lower levels, vestiges of the struggle for light, years ago.

It was a sort of philosophical exercise, tending, and pruning, and general stewardship. It also was good physical exercise.

When I started they were several inches thick, some of them--real Tarzan stuff, and up to the tops of mature trees. Now there are none.


39 posted on 10/29/2004 8:53:21 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: farmfriend

Environmental malpractice. Wow. I guess it's true, a tort is whatever a judge says it is!

I gotta read this book.


40 posted on 10/29/2004 8:54:58 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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