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NYT: The Return of the 'Butterfly Ballot'
New York Times ^ | October 29, 2004 | Editorial

Posted on 10/29/2004 6:35:57 AM PDT by OESY

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Ed. Note: The above picture was not published by the New York Times.

If you follow the arrow for Bush in Cuyahoga County, a heavily Democratic county, you end up selecting no. 14, a wrong vote.

What is you reaction?

Did the Times' editorial tell the whole story about the design, who was given the advantage and what happened to the election official in charge?

Did the Times again reaffirm its reputation as one of the most untrustworthy news sources in America?

1 posted on 10/29/2004 6:35:59 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

If Bush loses Ohio, this will be the reason.


2 posted on 10/29/2004 6:37:51 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: OESY

My reaction is that this is a FRAUD AND HAS BEEN DEBUNKED ON HERE NUMEROUS TIMES ALREADY!!


3 posted on 10/29/2004 6:39:00 AM PDT by TheBigB (Please Lord...let Bush win and I promise...no naughty thoughts about Lindsay Lohan for a week.)
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To: Brilliant

Why hasn't the repub party not challenged this as they have in other states? Make them reprint them correctly and re-send...Heck throw out all the previously returned ballots...Just throw the whole darn election!!! Sorry, I'm getting mad.


4 posted on 10/29/2004 6:39:57 AM PDT by queenkathy
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To: Brilliant

"If Bush loses Ohio, this will be the reason.
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I wouldn't worry much about this. If Bush loses in Ohio, the lawyers will sue and we'll have a manual recount of these absentee ballots looking for #14...


5 posted on 10/29/2004 6:41:13 AM PDT by IMKDnom
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To: OESY

If that is a correct picture, then this is a huge scandal. Who wrote the ballot? A Democrat?


6 posted on 10/29/2004 6:41:18 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: All

OHIO BALLOT SCARE FRAUDULENT: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1258074/posts


7 posted on 10/29/2004 6:42:02 AM PDT by TheBigB (Please Lord...let Bush win and I promise...no naughty thoughts about Lindsay Lohan for a week.)
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To: TheBigB

My blood pressure just went down a bit.


8 posted on 10/29/2004 6:44:39 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: OESY
If you follow the arrow for Bush in Cuyahoga County, a heavily Democratic county, you end up selecting no. 14, a wrong vote.

As a Bush voter, who voted absentee in Cuyahoga County all I can say is I punched the whole #4.

9 posted on 10/29/2004 6:44:57 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Everyone calm down, Ohio is still Bush country)
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To: TheBigB
From your WND article.

"When people go into the polling place, everything will line up."

When you go to the polling place, sure. Just not if you try to line up the absentee ballot with the card. Of course when voting absentee there isn't really a reason to line 'em up.

10 posted on 10/29/2004 6:47:12 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Everyone calm down, Ohio is still Bush country)
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To: TheBigB

This is a NYT article; it is the same info I heard on Glen Beck....and the 2 reports are about a week apart.

I have seen nothing that shows this was debunked.

Where was it debunked? Show me the article.

Why is this still carried in this form?


11 posted on 10/29/2004 6:53:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: OESY

14 is the right vote, the one that will be counted. The "4" is a typo. Nevertheless, it is a serious error. The Republican voters are obviously not smart enough to follow the arrow, and should hire 10,000 lawyers to protest it.

Seriously, if you get a ballot with a typo, you are entitled to ask an election worker how to interpret it.


12 posted on 10/29/2004 6:59:41 AM PDT by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: xzins; Prime Choice
See post #7. This has been posted on here numerous times and shot down. Someone else started a thread about it last night and it was quickly pulled by the mods.

PC, you know about it too. Jump in.

13 posted on 10/29/2004 7:01:06 AM PDT by TheBigB (Please Lord...let Bush win and I promise...no naughty thoughts about Lindsay Lohan for a week.)
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To: dubyaismypresident
"When people go into the polling place, everything will line up."

For the life of me I can't see how it can possibly line up at the polling place either. If the numbers are out of order on one side, but on the ballot the are in order, how can it possibly line up in the machine? It makes absolutely no sense.

14 posted on 10/29/2004 7:07:54 AM PDT by deziner
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To: TheBigB; Prime Choice

I have seen it posted here.

I've seen a lot of discussion of it, but I have seen NO report that it has been debunked....officials saying it is wrong.

Where is the news article saying this ballot is not the ballot being used in Cayuhoga County, Ohio and that this is NOT the facts about the ballot?


15 posted on 10/29/2004 7:11:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: xzins
READ the article I posted..."We've been getting several calls about this image on the Net, and it's wrong information," said Kimberly Bartlett of the county's elections board. "These arrows do line up … with the correct punch hole."

This "scare" is a fraud. That's why we don't have hundreds of posts. Everyone else already knows this.

16 posted on 10/29/2004 7:22:39 AM PDT by TheBigB (Please Lord...let Bush win and I promise...no naughty thoughts about Lindsay Lohan for a week.)
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To: TheBigB

I read the WND article, and you appear to be correct.

Why is the NYT carrying this?


17 posted on 10/29/2004 7:26:31 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: TheBigB
Maybe everyone doesn't know about it and the canning of the election official. Have you notified the Times that this 'scare' fraud has been debunked? I'm sure they'd love to hear from you so they can make the appropriate corrections.

Woman in Charge of Ohio, Cuyahoga absentee ballot resigns.

18 posted on 10/29/2004 7:33:43 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

Good idea, I'll email them right now. Maybe then you can stop spreading phony stories.


19 posted on 10/29/2004 7:37:01 AM PDT by TheBigB (Please Lord...let Bush win and I promise...no naughty thoughts about Lindsay Lohan for a week.)
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To: TheBigB
The Times also believes the allegations of voter fraud are a form of minority voter intimidation.

How about you? While you are at it, why not probe the Times on this?

managing-editor@nytimes.com, retrace@nytimes.com (Dan Okrent)

20 posted on 10/29/2004 7:50:16 AM PDT by OESY
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