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Why people hate America? (long screed but revealing of 3rd World hatred)
PakNews (Pakistan) ^ | 10/24/04 | Khan

Posted on 10/24/2004 2:06:23 PM PDT by pabianice

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To: pabianice; dila813
Thanks for posting this. It is indicative of the misguided, negative opinions.

"It is a strange irony of fact that the government of a people who are the most generous people of the world, giving annually more than $100 billions in charity, happens to be the most egregious violator of basic human values."

Pure BS

"Bottom line, the world hates the US because it believes the propaganda of the American Left."

Yes and not just the American left, but the entire left around the world. People believe evil things about the US because they believe it is true. Their worldview says so. What they believe to be true is shaped by what they hear and read and see. What they hear and read and see is hardly ever the full picture. They see the slice that their masters want them to see.

The less freedom a people have, the more likely it is they will hate the US.

jw

21 posted on 10/24/2004 2:58:46 PM PDT by JWinNC
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To: atari
but most communist wars (vietnam, korea) were waged by Democrats, and the biggest Communist victory by Reagan, resulted in no war at all..

Your sentence structure is a bit mangled, but I get your point. However, I would argue that the rest of the world is ignorant of the internal American political distinctions of democrat vs. republican, just as the old joke:
A US soldier serving in Germany after WWII sees a scrawled sign saying "Yankee Go Home". He tells a local that the sign doesn't include him, "because I'm no damn yankee, I'm a Georgia boy!'

I think what really drives the rest of the world crazy about the US is our institutionalized bi-polar disorder. Just as the world gets used to one type of foreign policy, the US has an election and POW! all the old assumptions are tossed out and a new set takes their place. How much of the world's animosity is caused by the continual stress of adapting to a different tone from Washington? Maybe it is simply that stress that finally drives them nuts.Arafat is invited to the White House and Israel better behave.. POW
Arafat's a criminal and we pledge total support to Israel...POW
We need trade protection...POW
We decry protectionism...POW
Apartheid must end!...POW
We won't do business with S. Africa...POW
We demand non poliferation of Nukes and build a missile shield...POW
Let's give N. Korea nuke material...

ON and ON and On. I don't know how to solve that one. The only solution I see is for Americans to finaly agree that socialism does not work and abandon it. The root problem is still socialism, that high sounding and oh so reasonable prescription for the death of us all.

22 posted on 10/24/2004 3:05:37 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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To: pabianice

Scary. The writer just assumes that his Pakistani readers are familiar with Noam Chomsky. "According to Chomsky..." he writes, seeing no need to introduce Chomsky further. If Asians have the offhand familiarity with Chomsky that the writer assumes, then it's no wonder anti-Americanism is prevalent in Asia.

Just imagine how much better off the world would be if international writers could just say "According to Horowitz..." or "According to Sowell..." or Hayek or Hanson, and have their readers nodding in immediate recognition.


23 posted on 10/24/2004 3:09:08 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: pabianice

Let's get the US out of the third world and the third world out of the US. close the borders already. we've had 40 yrs of immigration. time to digest.


24 posted on 10/24/2004 3:10:20 PM PDT by CAPTAIN PHOTON
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To: pabianice
The autocrats in the Middle East, be they religious or secular, cannot afford to allow their subjects to get a whiff of freedom or see the kind of lives we lead in America. With electronic media, we are a definite threat to them. But hatred is not the problem. We were not attacked because of hatred, we were attacked because of a profound lack of respect. We need to stop even asking the question as to why we are hated. It is irrelevant.

Our way of life is a threat to them, we either give it up, or we fight back. I can't help but notice that there have been no further attacks on our soil since we decided to stand and die in Iraq. We can now be defeated only by our enemy within.

25 posted on 10/24/2004 3:41:44 PM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: pabianice
According to Chomsky

All you have to do is read these three words and know exactly what the rest of the column said...

26 posted on 10/24/2004 3:59:27 PM PDT by Tamzee (How many men in their 50's need reminders from mom about integrity?)
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To: cripplecreek

The muslims hate america, because america is the only western nation that they cannot bend to their will. That is what infuriates them. NO matter what they do or threaten, we still keep siding with israel.


27 posted on 10/24/2004 4:18:03 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: lafroste
Very good point. No other developed country in the world (that I know of) swings so far, left to right, after each change in presidency. Back when I was in grad school, I had much contact with foreign nationals. Of all the elements of American culture that they were most curious about and constantly asking me questions about, were: 1. pro football and/or college football and 2. what's the difference between a democrat and republican.

On fellow from India, after months of questions, finally came to me and said(and I'm paraphrasing), " I think I have figured something out about America. You are in the middle of a kind of civil war in which the weapons are not bullets, but words and ideas and you are all too preoccupied with this struggle to have any clue what is going on in the rest of the world. It is no wonder that Americans seem ignorant to the rest of us. You are all too obsessed with your own politics."
28 posted on 10/24/2004 4:31:20 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: lafroste

All U.S. aid should be considered a loan. Lowest interest rate 0% going to those governments allowing citizens the highest levels of freedom. Funding should be loaned by the governments to the citizens to start businesses. Or funds should be used to back local banks providing micro-loans to businesses. Forget the huge hydro-electric dams. Stimulate small business growth.
15% rate goes to the authoritarian governments. Loans to be secured with raw materials.

If we're going to have foreign aid, we might as well buy what we want, capitalism.


29 posted on 10/24/2004 4:40:47 PM PDT by listenhillary (We are defending the peace by taking the fight to the enemy.GWB)
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To: pabianice
It fought the evil of godless communism, Fascism and Nazism on its own cost. Yet it failed to evoke enduring respect from the beneficiaries. It is the first ever nation on the surface of earth that sacrificed its wealth and millions of lives to fight slavery on its own soil. Yet it cons the weaker nations into following a slave-master pattern of relation. It is that rationalist nation that set a unique precedent of separating religion from politics at a time when doing so seemed to be an utter impossibility.

It exactly followed the principle of Thomas Jefferson that in matters of religion "the maxim of civil government" should be reversed and we should rather say, "Divided we stand, united, we fall" meaning the separation of Church and State. Yet it rarely hesitates to demonise other religion, letting the rivals to riposte with religious weapon.

Re: the so called separation of chuch and state, our Constitution merely says that we will not establish a state religion, nor interfere with the free practice of any religion. No Muslim nation can claim that feat, and that is their downfall. As for demonizing religion, I think that most religions, if not all, coexist pretty well in America. Can most Muslim nations, i.e. Pakistan, claim even the smallest degree of tolerance for any other religion? No, they can't. Christian churches are grenaded and burned, and their followers are treated like second class citizens at best, lepers at worst. Don't point the "demonizing religion" finger at us, boys.

It has lumped together values like respect for private property, the rule of law, individual rights, minimum government, free markets and civil liberty, yet racism lingers as rancid stench in its social structure. How America is tarnished by a mishmash of such benumbing contradictions may be revealed from a speech of Former President Bill Clinton.

I wonder if their is a single culture or race that does not practise some degree of racism or, in the case of Pakistan and many other Muslim nations, religionism to a degree that would make us look like angels. For a nice example, look at the Sudan.

While delivering his speech at University of California in 1997, he pointed to this beguiling nature of American society. "We were born with a declaration of independence which asserted that we all were created equal and a constitution that enshrined slavery. We fought a bloody civil war to abolish slavery but we remained unequal by law for another century. We advanced across the continent in the name of freedom, yet in so doing we pushed Native Americans off their land.

Ye Gods! See the Sudan, the Jews, any nation where Islam becomes the religion of the government. They don't simply "push them off their land," they exterminate non Muslims!

Whether it is the life-long support of Israel or sporadic embracing of Afghan Mujahideen in 1980s, the motive remains the same. According to Chomsky, what America really wants is to steal from the poor and give to the rich. America's crusade against Communism was actually a crusade "to protect our doctrine that the rich should plunder the poor." (What Uncle Sam really wants). Thus, being flustered with such snobbish self-interest for long time, the US sometimes crosses all limits of humanity.

Well, now we get to the meat of the matter, and realize why Cuba, Vietnam and Chile were mentioned: because noted American communist Noam Chomsky objects to our fight against communism. If we were so inhumane and interested in "plundering the poor (Muslims)," why is Saudi Arabia still in existance? Kuwait? Iran? Have we flattened Iraq? Why did we go into Afghanistan? For the poppies?

In a September 2001 issue of "the Progressive Magazine", the author, Thomas J. Negy, exposes an eye-splitting account of a secret document," Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities" prepared by the US Defence Intelligence Agency in January 1991. It stipulates how sanctions will prevent Iraq from supplying clean water to its citizens.

The document states," Failing to secure supplies (because of sanctions) will result in a shortage of pure drinking water for much of the population. This could lead to increased incidences of disease….

Would this be the UN sponsored sanctions? Hmmmm......

Iraqi rivers are contain biological materials (WMDs???), pollutants, and are laden with bacteria. Unless the water is purified with chlorine, (the import of which is embargoed by sanctions) epidemics of such disease as cholera, hepatitis, and typhoid could occur." What a strategy to topple its former minion, Saddam Hussein, by killing innocent people with epidemics? Even Mongols in the 13th century would have shivered with a twinge of remorse if they had seen such a brutal strategy.

Then why didn't the peaceful Muslim nations surrounding Iraq persuade Saddam to reveal his lack of WMDs and his peaceful intentions? Why did they all ignore the plight of the Iraqi people?

But even a paltry twinge of compunction this humane and civilised government never showed. Still we wonder as to why people hate America. It is a strange irony of fact that the government of a people who are the most generous people of the world, giving annually more than $100 billions in charity, happens to be the most egregious violator of basic human values.

Worse than say, Pakistan? Exactly which basic human values are we violating? Are we being compared with the genocide and slavery that STILL exists in Muslim countries? Do we value our women less than our cattle as happens in Muslim countries?

This intriguing dichotomy isn't foolproof enough to prevent people from hating America.

Nor is this Chomsky inspired, pro-infidel hating screed fooling anyone, except perhaps the few street Muslims that can actually read.

30 posted on 10/24/2004 7:53:06 PM PDT by SpinyNorman (Kerry's "global test" doesn't pass the smell test. Come to think of it, neither does Kerry.)
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