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Gone But Still with Us: Jacques Derrida, RIP
BreakPoint with Charles Colson ^ | October 19, 2004 | Charles Colson

Posted on 10/20/2004 11:36:47 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback

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To: risk
I agree that reason can lead one to a good life and happiness.

As far as concrete definitions go, I don't think there is one for many concepts. For example, what is the concrete definition of "free will"? I think people have been talking about what it is for centuries and still there is not an agreed-upon definition.
41 posted on 10/20/2004 1:37:13 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: risk
Derrida accepted external reality

Or the other anyway. He travelled a lot, mainly to change his perspective, and he wouldn't travel with anyone he wouldn't be willing to be die with. Death the ultimate other.

42 posted on 10/20/2004 1:40:14 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: BikerNYC

I think to our Founding Fathers, freedom of conscience was closely linked to the concept of free will; in other words, the state wasn't responsible for enforcing one particular belief because that was between God and man. The state didn't need to get between them, as had been the case in King Henry the 8th's Anglican state, or the other European monarchies where the kings were provided their power from God to rule man. I'm also arguing that the Founding Fathers would have each agreed that there was an external reality no matter what their own opinions were. Disagreement and debate were prevalent in their age, proving that the truth is elusive. But they all agreed that a well-crafted set of laws which respected mankind's freedom of conscience would set us free in contrast to other political systems. In other words, the Enlightenment taught us to let faith be personal and the law be limited but based on fact and reason. But it did not teach us that facts were relative. Calculus and Newtonian mechanics would have been for others to discover, were that true.


43 posted on 10/20/2004 1:45:31 PM PDT by risk
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To: Borges
I'm sorry but didn't the Constitution explicitly state this

It's not what I would consider an explicit statement. The Constitution counted 3/5 of the slaves in a district when deciding Congressional representation. The slaves were certainly people, but they were not voting for the representatives.

It was a compromise, an achievable solution at the time. Lots of people noted that counting the slaves as any proportion less than the free population implied a contradiction of the "all men are created equal" of the Declaration. That the practice of holding them in servitude appeared to contradict the statement that liberty is an inalienable right (found in the same document), also occurred to many. For a while, they lived with the contradiction, just as we live with similar contradictions today.

The amendment which formally abolished slavery came only after a long, destructive war. It shouldn't be as hard to get, say, a federal marriage amendment.

44 posted on 10/20/2004 1:51:51 PM PDT by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: risk
But what is free will? Is there a universally accepted definition?

To me, free will is the ability to deliberate over alternatives. Free will is the act of imagining making one choice over another. Free will has nothing to do with whether or not our deliberations are caused (of course they are, if they weren't they would be random), but has everything to do with the very ability to deliberate.
45 posted on 10/20/2004 1:58:35 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: thulldud; Borges

The Constitution will be x-rated for the first time. We'll have to skip reading parts of it to our children. This is a tragedy. The people who are forcing that on us -- just so that we can continue to use the most common legal definition of the word "marriage" -- are despicable. Derrida would be proud.


46 posted on 10/20/2004 1:58:44 PM PDT by risk
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To: BikerNYC

Think of it this way, and one must never forget how important advance it is over pre-Reformation Europe: we are free to argue about the definition of free will because our Founding Fathers believed that we had the liberty to have differing thoughts about it and still be considered equal before the law.


47 posted on 10/20/2004 2:02:16 PM PDT by risk
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To: Mr. Silverback
Derrida, you see, was the father of "deconstruction." -Charles Colson

I have yet to see any evidence that Jacques Derrida thought of anything that wasn't a perversion of Martin Heidegger's thought. In Being And Time, Heidegger deconstructed Western thought and stated that Language is constitutive of Being. The difference is that Heidegger's writing was learned, fruitful, and intellectually honest. (Yes I know the man himself can never be forgiven for accepting a role in the Nazi party.)

48 posted on 10/20/2004 2:07:58 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Fedora; Cincinatus' Wife; Travis McGee; Grampa Dave; JohnHuang2
This reminds me, part of the propaganda war in WWII was aimed at countering the variety of irrationality represented by Nietzsche. The battle against deconstruction could be seen as an extension of that. A friend of mine once wrote that deconstruction is the cultural correlative to totalitarianism.

bttt - post of the day material.

49 posted on 10/20/2004 2:10:21 PM PDT by risk
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To: risk
A critical view is not tolerated by many who have become comfortable in their lifestyle. A critical view could bring about truths that would require their participation. That is unacceptable to the follower types.

Fraud and corruption are as accepted today as the morning sunrise. The general attitude seems to be that if I can bear the stress without drinking myself to sleep each night or the financial costs are not too high then I won't resist or stand up and criticize those who are responsible. The suppressed anger is something that we have learned to live with, considered a cost of the cultural oddities that we live with.

Bringing in diversity wasn't something the masses requested, nor was the invasion of illegal immigrants. Anyone who stood up to protest was immediately labeled a racist.

That term is one that people fear more than being called agnostic or atheist! Perhaps that is because we have quietly accepted God being segregated from public policy decisions.

I am well known on FR for critiquing the Bush administration which has led to many debates, the majority of which weren't pleasant. My critical thinking of these public employees is considered sinful by many members.

I'm glad to say that my cost for alcohol hasn't increased and I am sleeping as well as I did prior to the debates. My opinion of many people has fallen to new lows, the ones who are obvious followers. I'm glad to see some new leaders come to the forefront. A united front is necessary to keep rabid politicians such as Kerry from residing in the White House but IMO that shouldn't leave President Bush free to do as he wishes.

I hope this isn't being too critical of him this close to the election.

50 posted on 10/20/2004 2:18:03 PM PDT by B4Ranch (´´Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; They are our teeth for Liberty)
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To: risk

A related point on that is the line of descent from Nazism and French fascism to deconstruction. Heidegger and Paul de Man are two of the most famous cases. Georges Battaile also flirted with fascism at times, and his friend Maurice Blanchot helped "rehabilitate" the academic reputations of some Vichy collaborators after the war. Their influence was felt through the Situationists, a neo-Dadaist group which played a significant role in the 1968 revolution that brought deconstruction to prominence in the French university.


51 posted on 10/20/2004 2:23:42 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: B4Ranch
I hope this isn't being too critical of him this close to the election.

On the contrary. The image the Democrat machine wants to project is that due to our zeal, patriots are incapable of self-criticism.

Because we criticize Ted Kennedy, whose words are invoked by the throat-cutters just hours after he offers them up against our troops in a press conference, we are undemocratic.

We are the only ones left who are democratic. And we criticize. But we are loyal in any opposition we may exhibit.

52 posted on 10/20/2004 2:24:16 PM PDT by risk
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To: js1138

But they only fell out by 40%.


53 posted on 10/20/2004 2:24:46 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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A related point on that is the line of descent from Nazism and French fascism to deconstruction.

bump to Fedora's 51

54 posted on 10/20/2004 2:25:08 PM PDT by risk
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To: risk

But that would depend on the definition of "what the definition of what is, is" is.


55 posted on 10/20/2004 2:28:13 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Mr. Silverback

BTTT


56 posted on 10/20/2004 2:29:59 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: risk

Thank you


57 posted on 10/22/2004 10:40:55 AM PDT by anonymoussierra
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