Protests Already Planned for November 3 (regardless of EVs, fraud, turn-out)

United for Peace and Justice ^ | 10/10/2004 | ?

[tet68]

Let us commit ourselves to making sure that this time around, the person who occupies the White House is the one who won the election.

The democrats by their actions in 2000 have brought this country to the edge of a precipice, they have dishonored
200 years of our history and brought us closer to civil war.

By bringing our electoral system into question, they threaten our very existance as a nation, and this in a
time of war.

They cannot stop themselves now and they will deserve
everthing they get, and I will do everything I can
to make sure they get it good and hard
when the time comes.

[wizardoz]

...making a commitment to protest starting on November 3rd in the case of a fraudulent vote count.

Ah yes. "If I didn't win, then it wasn't fair!!" I see this behavior in my 7th grade students all the time. Whenever I have any kind of contest, they wait eagerly to see if they won, and if they didn't, immediately begin whining "That's not faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaair!!!"

When I say, "What was unfair about it?" They look lost for a minute, and then begin sulking.

[Trepz]

I went to the site and use the name

SAVE AMERICA VOTE BUSH

added more names to be emailed with that as the SENDERS name.

johnkerry@johnkerry.com
johnedwards@johnkerry.com
THEIVES@dnc.org

I think they'll NOT be too happy receiving an email with the name I used.

[wizardoz]

Don't know where they came up with the 3 percent number being the benchmark.

I'll give you a hint: whoever came up with it had to stand up to pull it out.

[luckodeirish]

On November 3rd Republicans will be returning to work or raising their families while the Dims will be protesting Bush's win. Titty babies, all of em.

[XHogPilot]

COMMUNISTS!

[js1138]

The recount situation in Florida will be interesting. There are no punch card ballots. |there will be optically scanned paper ballots, which were flawless in 2000, and there will be touch screen machines that cannot be recounted (confirmed by the courts).

[Chris_Shugart]

I don't want to be over-melodramatic but what concerns me is the possibility of some lawyers being able to successfully get enough judges to keep the election from being certified. Imagine Flordia 2000 happening again, except in a dozen states, not just one. I'm not an alarmist by nature, but the possibility of an uprecented number of legal challenges to this election has me, frankly a little worried. If the courts can prevent or at least postpone the outcome of the election, this in my mind could be a pretext to civil war. Is my anxiety justified?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

If you recall the media tried to give FL to Gore in 2000
VNS was a private consortium owned by
ABC News, The Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, and NBC.
4 of the 5 of the networks and cable newsrooms
(only ABC waited till both time zones closed)
"announced" Gore had won
BEFORE the 2nd time zone in FL had closed.
This cost President Bush votes in the FL panhandle.

I was at a friends house and the State of FL election website results showed President Bush was winning

In fact, the networks which called Florida for Gore did so early in the evening—before polls had even closed in the Florida panhandle, which is part of the Central Time Zone. NBC called Florida for Gore at 7:49:40 p.m., Eastern Time. This was 10 minutes before polls closed in the Florida panhandle. Thirty seconds later, CBS called Florida for Gore. And at 7:52 p.m., Fox called Florida for Gore. Moore never lets the audience know that Fox was among the networks which made the error of calling Florida for Gore prematurely. Then at 8:02 p.m., ABC called Florida for Gore. Only ABC had waited until the Florida polls were closed.

About an hour before the polls closed in panhandle Florida,
the networks called the U.S. Senate race in favor of the Democratic candidate.

The premature calls may have cost Bush thousands of votes from the conservative panhandle, as discouraged last-minute voters heard that their state had already been decided;
some last-minute voters on their way to the polling place turned around and went home. Other voters who were waiting in line left the polling place. In Florida, as elsewhere, voters who have arrived at the polling place before closing time often end up voting after closing time, because of long lines. The conventional wisdom of politics is that supporters of the losing candidate are most likely to give up on voting when they hear that their side has already lost. Thus, on election night 1980, when incumbent President Jimmy Carter gave a concession speech while polls were still open on the west coast, the early concession was blamed for costing the Democrats several Congressional seats in the West, such as that of 20-year incumbent James Corman. The fact that all the networks had declared Reagan a landslide winner while west coast voting was still in progress was also blamed for Democratic losses in the West; Congress even held hearings about prohibiting the disclosure of exit polls before voting had ended in the any of the 48 contiguous states.

Even if the premature television calls affected all potential voters equally, the effect was to reduce Republican votes significantly, because the Florida panhandle is a Republican stronghold. Most of Central Time Zone Florida is in the 1st Congressional District, which is known as the "Redneck Riviera." In that district, Bob Dole beat Bill Clinton by 69,000 votes in 1996, even though Clinton won the state by 300,000 votes.

So depress overall turnout in the panhandle,
and you will necessarily depress more Republican than Democratic votes.

A 2001 study by John Lott suggested that the early calls cost Bush at least 7,500 votes,
and perhaps many more.

At 10:00 p.m., which network took the lead in retracting the premature Florida win for Gore?
The first retracting network was CBS, not Fox.

Over four hours later, at 2:16 a.m., Fox projected Bush as the Florida winner,
as did all the other networks by 2:20 a.m.

At 3:59 a.m., CBS took the lead in retracting the Florida call for Bush. All the other networks, including Fox, followed the CBS lead within eight minutes. That the networks arrived at similar conclusions within a short period of time is not surprising, since they were all using the same data from the Voter News Service. (Linda Mason, Kathleen Francovic & Kathleen Hall Jamieson, “CBS News Coverage of Election Night 2000: Investigation, Analysis, Recommendations” (CBS News, Jan. 2001), pp. 12-25.)

The big 5 media TV and Cable newsrooms are the real threat to the 2004 election.

..."Early on Tuesday, November 7th 2000, TV stations and various media based in Florida reported that Gore has won Florida which was a big surprise for everyone because of strong republican support. Bush's brother Jeb is governor there and Florida usually gives support to the Republicans. Some of them questioned that and during the night CNN showed 52% Bush's lead over 46% for Gore. It is almost impossible to believe that media could have been that blind and biased to report Gore's victory."...

[no dems]

Jason West, Mayor, New Patlz, New York That's the Mayor who defied the law and married gay couples isn't it?

[DonnerT]

Turkies conveniently gathering for a Turkey shoot?

[SandRat]

Lists are our friends.

• Stewart Acuff, Organizing Director, AFL-CIO
• Fred Azcarate, Jobs with Justice
• Patrick Barrett, RadFest: Midwest Social Forum
• Brian Benford, Madison Common Council
• Medea Benjamin, CodePink
• Adrienne Maree Brown, League of Pissed Off Voters
• Mike Brune, Executive Director, Rainforest Action Network
• Dennis Brutus, poet
• Andrea Buffa, Global Exchange
• Linda Burnham, Women of Color Resource Center
• Leslie Cagan, United for Peace and Justice
• John Cavanagh, Institute for Policy Studies
• Steve B. Cobble, political strategist
• David Cobb, Green Presidential Nominee
• Rev. James Demus, III, Director, NAACP, Chicago Southside
• Charlie Derber, Professor of Sociology, Boston College
• Karen Dolan, Institute for Policy Studies & Cities for Peace
• Theresa El-Amin, Southern Anti-Racism Network (SARN)
• Daniel Ellsberg, author
• Larry Fahn, President, Sierra Club
• Lisa Fithian, Root Activist Network of Trainers
• Arun Gandhi, M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence
• Ed Garvey, Fighting Bob Fest
• Greg Gerritt, Executive Director, Friends of the Moshassuck
• Ted Glick, National Coordinator, IPPN
• Jim Goodman, Family Farm Defenders
• Rev. Graylan Hagler, Ministers for Racial, Social and Economic Justice
• Jody Grage Haug, Green Peace Action (GPAX)
• Andy Heidt, Madison Common Council
• Dolores Huerta, United Farm Workers
• Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rainbow/PUSH
• Natalie Johnson Lee, Minneapolis City Council
• Van Jones, Ella Baker Center for Human Rights
• Rabbi Michael Lerner, Tikkun Pete Karas, Racine Common Council
• Brenda Konkel, President, Madison Common Council
• Doug La Follette, Wisconsin Secretary of State
• Reverend James Lawson, civil rights leader
• Barbara Lubin, Middle East Children's Alliance
• Ben Manski, Liberty Tree Foundation
• Elizabeth Martinez, Institute for Multiracial Justice
• Mike McCabe, Wisconsin Democracy Campaign
• Robert McChesney, Free Press
• Holly Near, singer-songwriter
• Maya O'Connor, Labor Greens Network
• Jamala Rogers, Organization for Black Struggle, St. Louis
• Rebecca Rotzler, Alder, New Paltz
• Marc Sanson, Co-Chair, Green Party of the United States
• Renee Saucedo, La Raza Centro Legal
• John Sellers, Ruckus Society
• Charles Shaw, Newtopia Magazine
• Jane Slaughter, Labor Notes Damu Smith, founder, Black Voices for Peace
• Starhawk, activist and writer
• Chuck Turner, Boston City Council
• Chris Vaeth, This Time We're Watching
• Jason West, Mayor, New Patlz, New York
• Bob Wing, War Times
• Dean Zimmerman, Minneapolis City Council
• Howard Zinn, historian

[Check6]

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[mac_truck]

Any attempt by any number of liberal/communist/leftist yahoos should be met with an EQUAL number of armed citizens (are you listening, NRA members?) who're willing to do WHATEVER it takes to keep that from happening.

I agree. Communists should be resisted with force wherever they try to take power.

[tapatio]

DUmmies are talking about it http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1098161#1098187

[dsc]

"Lists are our friends."

Is that the retroactive abortion list?

[SandRat]

I was thinking more of the "toss more chlorine in the gene pool" list.

[Fiddlstix]

[dsc]

I'm fine with that.

[Petronski]

Hugh Jorgan from Intercourse PA signed the petition this morning, but they deleted his signature! Not fair.