Congress Considering National ID Card

The American Conservative Union ^ | October 18, 2004 | aculistmanager@laptoplobbyist.com

[steve-b]

ACLU driven

ACU, not ACLU. Please try to keep up with the class.

[sheltonmac]

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

There's your precious "Constituitional enumeration."

Okay, so which provision in that particular article allows for a national ID card?

[steve-b]

Bottom Line: The real agenda behind the "National ID Card" is to make it easier to catch trivial violations of regulations that are too much trouble to find and pursue when the evidence is scattered. This serves the obvious purpose of "revenue enhancement" via fines, and the long-term goal of insuring that everybody can be convicted of some offense if the people in power choose to pursue the matter (and may thereby be pressured to toe the government line).

[steve-b]

What I do not support is the abuse of it. The census, which is part of the constitution is abused by the leftists of this country.

That's why I encourage everyone to fill out all questions other than the Constutitionally valid one (how many citizens live at this address?) with gibberish.

[sheltonmac]

Bottom Line: Follow the money.

[steve-b]

Okay, so which provision in that particular article allows for a national ID card?

I'm sure Chemist_Geek will be able to find it if he stares at the emanations from the penumbra long and hard enough.

[Publius6961]

Do you believe that you should be compelled to carry a National ID Card that is imprinted with your fingerprint or your DNA imprint or other highly personal and private information?

In 1952? No.

In 1965? No.

In 1980? No.

In 1994? Maybe

On Sept 10, 2001? Maybe

In 2004? Yes.

The reason is simple. I consider the safety and lives of my family and neighbors more important than the "civil rights" of foreign killers.

Next question?

[steve-b]

In 1980? No.

In 1994? Maybe

Your homework assignment: List the Constitutional amendments adopted between 1980 and 1994, and explain their relevance to the question at hand.

[Publius6961]

There is not one single instance that I know of where scanning national ID cards helped catch terrorists.

Of course ther isn't, Einstein. We have never had any. D'OH!

By way of contrast, I had to show my passport and surrender it at the hotel, on my fisrt visit to Europe in 1969. I understand that the authorities came by the hotel daily to peruse the passports of all foreigners.

[Publius6961]

I'm talking about other countries, not this one.

I don't care about other countries.
I'll let Kerry and you worry about them.

[Publius6961]

What end times crowd? I just tune nutcases out...

[azhenfud]

"There is no way to devise an ID card that cant be forged and duplicated."

Yes there is. We only need to use the technology available today instead of that which was available circa 1949.

[Publius6961]

Not at all. It only confirms that you are holding a card. There are no guarantees that the information the card is valid nor that information linked from the card to a database is valid. (It can be guaranteed that such a database always compromised.)

Typical "progressive" crap. If it's not "perfect" it's not usefu.

Funny thing is, hundreds of millions of legitimate credit cards are daily verified around the world, using identical type of databases, and businesses have not abandoned the whole thing due to a small percentage of fraud.

As a bonus, constant checking produces a constant stream of busted criminals!

[sheltonmac]

I consider the safety and lives of my family and neighbors more important than the "civil rights" of foreign killers.

Just think--if we only required foreigners to have a visa or passport in 2001, we could have prevented the deaths of 3,000 Americans.

[steve-b]

Well, since you're comparing it to a credit card, then you're clearly advocating that it should work like a credit card (i.e. if you don't like it, don't get one). No problem.

[steve-b]

Yep. All you have to do is ask the question "What can be done with a National ID Card and associated database that cannot be done by simply enforcing our existing laws?" The answer is what I outline in Msg#143.

[Doctor Stochastic]

OK. Since you are willing to put up with the same amount of National ID fraud as credit card fraud, how much would this amount of fraud effect a presidential ellection?

[EQAndyBuzz]

What about photo scans at public events?
Or how about carrying a backpack?

[EQAndyBuzz]

"OK. Since you are willing to put up with the same amount of National ID fraud as credit card fraud, how much would this amount of fraud effect a presidential ellection?"

Depends on how many dogs and dead people get them. Do'H

[R. Scott]

Too many are sleeping - they will miss the wake up call.