Fixin' for a fight:In the GOP, the long knives are out for the neoconservatives

U.S.News & World Report ^ | 10/25/04 Issue | Thomas Omestad

[Seeking the truth]

this is BS.

The article? Neocons?

[No_Outcome_But_Victory]

Whatever the case, the neocon movement has traveled a long way indeed: from historical roots in the anti-Stalinist left to the Henry "Scoop" Jackson wing of the Democratic Party and then, for many, on to become Reagan Republicans.

GOD BLESS ALL OF THE ABOVE! I love anti-stalinists, Scoop Jacksonites and Reagan Republicans. Indeed I do.

Too bad I can't be a neo-conservative now because I'm not a JEW. That's what they mean by neo-conservative: a non-liberal, non ACLU commie, JEW. J_E_W_S. Decendants of Abraham that are not Arabs. Line of Isaac, and Jacob, and The Twelve Tribes. Yup, I got the picture.

Besides everyone knows that the EVIL Dick Cheney runs everything.

Cheney: Neocons? Don't make me run you fools over!

< /sarcasm>

[rantblogger]

Citizen Smash discusses Realists vs. Neocons

Anyone who uses "neocon" critically may as well be saying "yid". From Victor Davis Hanson in the National Review: "face the ugly fact: "Neocon" is now a slur for "Jew."

The neocons are no more aggressive than JFK was in his anticommunist stance. Reagan was right in calling the USSR an Evil Empire (ask any Soviet gulag member or Eastern European under the age of 45).

Best case is that GWB chases the WMDs into Baathist Syria where I predict they've been since Russia/France/Germany stalled for time to hide their Food-for-Oil perfidy which enriched Kofi Annan's son.

Santayana said that those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it. This is the late 1930's, replayed, and neither isolationism (Pat Buchanan as his nazi-sympathizing father before him) nor patiently waiting for another deadly blow will work. Imagine if we had smashed Germany after they had taken Poland and Czechoslovakia instead of waiting to join the war after they were much stronger at the end of 1941.

Diplomacy (an invention of French aristocrats) and the Saudi-bribed gone-native State Department are history's villains, not its heroes.

And re W's "mistakes", I'm certain you could play the videotape of D-Day and ANY OTHER MAJOR CAMPAIGN and see an equal or greater number of mistakes. While one can aim a shotgun at a target and predicting the target's demise, it is impossible to predict the trajectory of each pellet. Clear aim does not equal perfect precision for a complex war. More Hanson:

"How weird is our way of war! When we embrace Clintonian bombing — in Kosovo, Serbia, or in Iraq — and kill thousands, America sleeps: few of our guys killed, so who cares how many of theirs? Out of sight, out of mind. Yet when we take the trouble to sort out the messy moral calculus and go in on the ground shooting and getting shot, then suddenly the Left cries war crimes and worse — so strong is this Western disease of wishing to be perfect rather than merely good. Such is the self-induced burden for all those who would be gods rather than mere mortals."

You cannot like Reagan's foreign policy and not like neocons... unless you are an antisemite. I don't toss around that epithet lightly but I've clearly established that disproportionate criticism is a clear indicator of prejudice.

Go listen to Buchanan.

William F. Buckley's credentials as a conservative are unimpeachable and he couldn't defend Buchanan from the charge of antisemite.

America's pre-eminent military historian, Victor Davis Hanson, is pretty clear on this, as reported earlier here on Free Republic:

Neoconservatives? Let us be frank. This appellation is no longer a descriptive term of so-called "new conservatives," those members of the eastern intelligentsia who were rather liberal on some domestic hot-button issues (tolerant of open borders, quiet about abortion, indifferent to gay marriage, etc.), but promoted a proactive neo-Wilsonian idealism in foreign policy (whether in the Balkans in taking out Milosevic or in trying to replace Saddam Hussein with democracy rather than a Shah-like proconsul). Instead, face the ugly fact: "Neocon" is now a slur for "Jew." General Zinni (who once boasted that 600 to 2,000 Iraqis were eliminated from the air in his Operation Desert Fox bombing campaign) is now ubiquitous on television hawking his new book, criticizing the war (on Memorial Day, no less), and being praised in the Arab news as he talks about "Perle, Wolfowitz, and Feith" and all those who purportedly got us into Iraq. "Cabal" and "Nazi-like" are also used by others and with increasing frequency to promote the old idea of crafty, sneaky people pulling the wool over honest naifs (no doubt aw-shucks, unsophisticated folks such as Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Rice). A shameful Senator Hollings has no apologies for claiming that our policy was misdirected for Israel's sake. Even a saucer-eyed Al Gore got into the spirit of things. Recently he screamed out the names of those who must walk his plank, and went into an exorcist-like trance when his vein-bulging, spinning-head got to spitting out the name "Woolfwoootizzzzz." If there was advice from a "bloc" of so-called neoconservatives, it has not "failed," but is in fact already working even as we caricature it: We've taken out Saddam; we are on the eve of a transition to an autonomous reform government; and we are shooting the enemy 7,000 miles away, rather than being murdered at Ground Zero. And, by any historical standard, we are fighting in both an economical and humane fashion.

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

To hell with them. It's time we act like the big boys we are. We don't want to run the world but we no longer will look to old Europe for leadership, nor hope we can talk our way to peace. Get on board or get your rear run over.

Pax Americana

[airborne]

I remember a while back an explanation given by JimRob. May be he can re-post for us.

Hey boss! Pingaroo for you!

[LeftCoastNeoCon]

**I want to know what a neoconservative is.**

Most famous description:

"A Neoconservative is a liberal who has been bitten by reality."

(Some of us don't buy into the Left's lies. We think for ourselves, look at the real world, and turn to Conservatism.)

"...Neoconservatives' (have a) more interventionist foreign policy as opposed to vintage conservatism's isolationism."

Excerpted from article below:

Neoconservative: "It originally referred to a movement of largely Jewish liberals who gave leftism an honest and protracted effort, who dutifully reviled every Republican president through Eisenhower, who did their time in inner cities, and who gave peace and social engineering a chance, until the real-world consequences of their good will forced them to acknowledge that what they were doing wasn't working but in fact backfiring. At which point, these men (e.g., Norman Podhoretz, Irving Kristol) underwent a midlife epiphany and became conservative after the 1960s.

"Today the word applies to anyone who undergoes such a transformation, Jewish or not. True, neoconservatives are not the same breed of conservative that made up the Republican Party of Barry Goldwater. The difference is the neoconservatives' more interventionist foreign policy as opposed to vintage conservatism's isolationism."

From:

Blame It on Neo
BY JULIA GORIN
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005656


Other articles:

The Neoconservative Persuasion
by Irving Kristol
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp


Neoconservatism’s Liberal Legacy
By Tod Lindberg
http://www.policyreview.org/oct04/lindberg.html

[Ed Current]

See link in post #58

[LeftCoastNeoCon]

**So, a neoconservative is like a born again Christian? Is my analogy right?**

Not a bad analogy! I like it!

[airborne]

Instead, face the ugly fact: "Neocon" is now a slur for "Jew"

That is not how the term is used in the article posted here. So this description isn't accurate, IMHO.

[gaspar]

Viguerie scored his bones as the head of Young Americans for Freedom in the 1961-64 period when both Goldwater and Reagan were winning their spurs. He then became the guru of direct mailings. He is, if you will, a much older Newt Gingrich. He is, however, without the charisma that Newt can still flash from time to time.

[Jim Robinson]

Not me. I personally believe it's just a made up label usually used in a pejorative manner by those who don't like Bush and or his policies in an attempt to divide the conservative vote.

[Ed Current]

Neo-CONNED! Defined by Ron Paul

More important than the names of people affiliated with neo-conservatism are the views they adhere to. Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:

1. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
2. They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
3. They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
4. They accept the notion that the ends justify the means—that hardball politics is a moral necessity.
5. They express no opposition to the welfare state.
6. They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
7. They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
8. They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
9. They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
10. They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill advised.
11. They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
12. They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
13. Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
14. 9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)
16. They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
17. They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

[No_Outcome_But_Victory]

Gasp! Look what google found:

Fly my spirits of evil! Inflict stupid racists with stories of the neocon boogieman! Torture leftists with tales of Haliburton! MUAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

[Kryptonite]

I personally believe it's just a made up label usually used in a pejorative manner by those who don't like Bush and or his policies in an attempt to divide the conservative vote.

Exactly.

[Joe Hadenuf]

How can this article speak of neocons, and not mention their robotic, lock step cadence in support of the destruction of our sovereignty and borders?

[airborne]

SEE! I told you Jim would know! ;^)

[Jim Robinson]

There you go. See number 75 above.

[LeftCoastNeoCon]

**From the Random House Webster's College Dictionary:
ne•o•con•serv•a•tism, n. a moderate form of political conservatism that generally opposes big government but supports social welfare and certain other liberal goals.
So basically they are liberals seeking to take control of the GOP.**

Don't believe Random House. They're part of the mainstream disinformation cazmpaign. One defintion of a Neoconservative is one who has realized that social programs DON'T work, that they backfire, and produce more problems than solutions. I am a former Liberal. It was precisely this view (among others) that drove me to conservatism.

What is a neoconservative? The exact opposite of a Liberal in almost every single way. Go Horowitz!

[Tamzee]

It's an incredibly simple-minded attempt to manipulate incredibly simple-minded people.

Exactly. And you'd think some folks would have more pride than to ask "how high" when lefties tell them to jump.

[airborne]

Don't you just hate being right all the time?