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Kerry's gay ploy backfires
New York Daily News ^ | 10/17/04 | Zev Chafets

Posted on 10/17/2004 1:09:27 AM PDT by conservative in nyc

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To: LibertarianInExile

"Christians figure Mary Cheney might go to hell all by herself, but John Kerry will certainly take us there with him."

Exactamundo!


21 posted on 10/17/2004 4:39:34 AM PDT by jocon307 (Don't let Australia down: Re-elect President Bush!)
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To: wrbones

These two men who wish to lead the world's greatest power have only mastered the "skills" of 11 year olds on a playground, they can not possibly be trusted with "diplomacy" with world leaders and terrorists.


22 posted on 10/17/2004 4:46:22 AM PDT by antivenom ("Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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To: conservative in nyc
 
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23 posted on 10/17/2004 5:06:15 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: conservative in nyc

Too bad the author makes an analogy between voting for a baby-killer, which IS a sin, and voting for a man whose daughter is a lesbian, which is NOT a sin.


24 posted on 10/17/2004 5:44:49 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Salamander
"Mary Cheney may be gay, but it turns out there are worse things. At least she isn't a Democrat."

While the author is being snide, he's actually hit the nail on the head. I'm a Christian, and I DO think it's worse to murder 45 million babies than it is to give in to deeply-rooted, mysterious, and powerful same-sex attractions.

25 posted on 10/17/2004 5:47:40 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: conservative in nyc

Cheney has been veep for four years. His daughter's lifestyle has had zero impact on his governance.

Zero. Nada. Nilch.


26 posted on 10/17/2004 5:52:50 AM PDT by Samwise (It must be scary to be trapped in John Kerry's mind. No wonder he's nuts.)
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To: conservative in nyc

If Kerry had read a bit more carefully, he'd have observed that there's no specific prohibition against female homosexuality in the Bible.


27 posted on 10/17/2004 6:58:32 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Hahahaha...


28 posted on 10/17/2004 6:59:12 AM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: conservative in nyc
Since the debate, the Christian right has been rallying to the side of Mary Cheney.

Hate the sin; love the sinner.

29 posted on 10/17/2004 7:00:55 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (,)
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To: conservative in nyc

Just another example of the Unintended Consequences of the Liberal Doo Gooders.


30 posted on 10/17/2004 9:37:19 AM PDT by IamJustright
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To: conservative in nyc
Does politics trump religion? That's a tough question. In this case, I'd say no. Bush and Cheney aren't gay themselves, and there's little Cheney can do about his adult daughter's sexual choices. Arguably he comes across as more of a Christian by not rejecting her, than he would if he shut her out of his life.

But if a candidate is gay or divorced or has had an abortion, or is doing drugs, or is having extramarital sex, but agrees with you on the issues, do you vote for that candidate? It's a slippery slope, isn't it? Those who oppose divorce in principle will vote for candidates who have been divorced, but a candidate who's currently indulging in activity that one finds reprehensible won't win one's vote.

I don't think one can say that politics trumps religion or vice versa. One can tolerate or overlook or forgive people's conduct up to a certain point but not beyond it. Ask Jack Ryan in Illinois about this.

As concerns Jews and Israel, are Zionism and Sharon really a matter of religion or of another sort of politics? And perhaps there's a feeling that both candidates make the same basic committment to Israel. With many Catholics politics and self-interest do seem to come out on top. It may be because Catholicism isn't so much a religion as an ethnic identity or affiliation with such people.

Protestants pick and choose which denomination they wish to belong to and their religious committment is reflected in their political choices. With Catholics (and Jews and Muslims) the situation may be different. What they are in religion is less a matter of individual decisions and more something they can't avoid or escape (it's the same way with Protestants in Catholic countries and with minorities elsewhere). Also, Protestantism has historically been more individualistic. With other religions there may be more of a social or group concern that leads to different choices in politics.

Does religion always offer one single and unambiguous answer to political questions? Or do religions contain ideas, injunctions, and prohibitions that can give different or conflicting answers? Or if religion does give one clear answer to each question, can those answers be easily translated into politics? In Christianity at least, it may be hard to reconcile the various prohibitions and injunctions, strong moral laws being combined with a call to move above the demands of law in the name of faith and charity.

31 posted on 10/17/2004 10:32:04 AM PDT by x
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To: conservative in nyc; All
Zev Chafets is right on. I'm not sure if many of the posters who have commented understand a thing about Zev Chafets, he's been a very vocal supporter of President Bush. Read his columns here to get a better picture.
32 posted on 10/17/2004 10:36:12 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Pi R squared? Nooo! Pie R round, Cornbread R squared!)
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To: Jeff Chandler
This writer is guilty of the same bigotry as Kerry: assuming that Evangelical Christians are bigots, but put politics first

Many in the media have been doing that for years and that is why Kerry brought up Mary Cheney

33 posted on 10/17/2004 10:37:45 AM PDT by Mo1 (Terri Kerry's remedy for arthritis - soak white raisins in gin for 2 weeks)
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