Posted on 10/15/2004 4:35:45 PM PDT by tpaine
"Here's our alternative: Nothing."
And nothing is what you'll get. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. The income tax/social security system doesn't work. The 'fair tax' scheme could work, if it is made part of a Constitutional Amendment with appropriate limitations on government powers to 'regulate' it.
Ban the income tax, definitely. Banish it. Disband the Internal Revenue Service and auction their buildings to the highest bidder. Let all the IRS auditors, clerks, and armed enforcers get honest jobs.
Absolutely. I think everyone in America could agree on that point.
But don't replace the income tax with any tax, of any variety.
Pipe dream. Get Real.
The United States survived until 1913 without an income tax. It survived until World War II without wage withholding (a federal trick "for the duration of the war" that increased tax collections enormously). The income tax has enabled and encouraged wild governmental spending sprees. And irony of ironies, the federal government has now gotten so drunk on reckless spending and its attendant debt that (5) an amount equivalent to all the income taxes collected west of the Mississippi River accomplishes nothing but helping pay the interest on that debt! You pay and pay and you're not even getting government services for your money. Just paying off debt that should never have been incurred – and probably wouldn't have been incurred if Americans hadn't been forced to hand over so much money to government.
If you want smaller government, then don't spend your time thinking of "better" ways to feed big government. If you want freedom, don't fall for ploys that simply enable to government to find new routes into your pocket and your life.
If you want to tame the beast of tyranny – starve it into submission. Ban the income tax.
Nice rant, but it doesn't lead to your next conclusion:
Trash the unFairTax.
And put the government back on a leash.
We all want them leashed. -- But -- :
The Fair Tax plan, if Constitutionally safeguarded & phased in, could end our current tax/social security mess in a decade or so, imo.
I'm a little amazed at the trashing/bashing attitude of this article.
I couldn't find the real reasoning [long original article] on why this idea is opposed so vehemently. Can anyone point out something definite through all the hype?
already posted and disected here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1245088/posts
I think they are making the point, if you think social engineering is bad under the income tax, wait until the sales tax is in place. Once the Dems get into power, they can cherry pick the items they don't like and place an extrodinary high tax on it. Liberals will no longer have to ban items, they can tax them out of existance.
I think I'm unique on FR because I believe that the "Fair Tax" will result in the criminalization of cash transactions.
A Constitutional Amendment authorizing the 'Fair Tax' scheme could also solve the State sales tax 'problem'.
The idea would supposedly have a fed tax of 23%. We could limit State/local taxes to 7%, and end ALL of the mess.
I think they are making the point, if you think social engineering is bad under the income tax, wait until the sales tax is in place.
Social engineering wold be impossible if the Fair Tax regs were protected by Constitutional resrictions.
Haven't seen anyone propose that Constitutional Amendment yet as part of the fair tax, and it is unlikely that it would pass.
I don't see how 'outlawing cash' could be done under our Constitution.
Wanna explain?
FDR outlawed gold, besides money is already unconstitutionally controlled by the Fed.
Haven't seen anyone propose that Constitutional Amendment yet as part of the fair tax, and it is unlikely that it would pass.
Backwards. It would never pass without repealing the income tax. It's common sense to do both in one Amendment.
I still haven't seen any proposal to even do such a thing?
FDR 'outlawed' using our gold coins as money. You could still own all the gold you pleased.
You have a very naive outlook on the real power of our government. They only control money because we let them.
I suggest you read more on the issue.
I have read enough on this issue. I have read every bill they have proposed.
So? No one has proposed a Constitutional Amendment. -- Yet.
When, and if this is done we may finally see some action to end this income tax insanity.
FAIR TAX IS NOT A VAT TAX.
PRESIDENT BUSH WILL NOT RE_START THE DRAFT.
LITTLE OLD LADIES ON SOCIAL SECURITY WILL NOT HAVE TO EAT CAT FOOD.
All caps were on purpose, anybody that dislikes that fact can line up behind me, take a number and KMA
VAT and retail sales tax are quite different.
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