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Keyes receives fine for past violation
cnn ^ | 10-15-04

Posted on 10/15/2004 9:40:08 AM PDT by LouAvul

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To: sinkspur

Ever had to deal with the FEC at the presidential level? Me neither, thank God. I'd rather chew broken glass.

FEC requirements for presidential campaigns are an ever-evolving morass of interpretations and constantly shifting mountains of paperwork. What they tell you they require this week may, and often does, bear no relationship with what they decide they require next week. They make an IRS audit look like child's play.

At one point I remember that the Clinton and the Dole campaigns were told by the FEC that they owed them millions....Dole over 17 million. Did they ever have to pony all of that up? Do you know?


21 posted on 10/15/2004 11:37:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: LouAvul

Having just read the article, it brought to mind a question I've wondered about before. What happens if you receive anonymous donations? Surely there are rules if you get an envelope with cash in it. Anyone know what they are?


22 posted on 10/15/2004 11:49:28 AM PDT by OHelix
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To: EternalVigilance

Why not just answer the question regarding YOUR candidate, rather than trying to smear Bob Dole.


23 posted on 10/15/2004 11:52:00 AM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Howlin
Why not just answer the question regarding YOUR candidate, rather than trying to smear Bob Dole.

Please offer the Senator proper respect. That would be The RINO Bob Dole.

24 posted on 10/15/2004 11:53:48 AM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: SJackson

LOL


25 posted on 10/15/2004 11:55:30 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: OHelix

There is a limit on it...supposedly they exceeded.


26 posted on 10/15/2004 11:57:13 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Howlin
Howlin, PLEASE... smearing Bob Dole??? :oP
27 posted on 10/15/2004 11:58:20 AM PDT by OHelix
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To: Robert_Paulson2

His homepage doesn't show him banned.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~luisgonzalez/index?U=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freerepublic.com%2Ffocus%2Ff-news%2F1246138%2Fpostshttp://www.freerepublic.com/~luisgonzalez/index?U=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freerepublic.com%2Ffocus%2Ff-news%2F1246138%2Fposts


28 posted on 10/15/2004 11:59:27 AM PDT by Fatalis (The Libertarian Party is to politics as Esperanto is to linguistics.)
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To: OHelix

I think you got my point: address THESE charges rather than point a finger and say "They all do it."


29 posted on 10/15/2004 12:00:30 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Republican Wildcat

What I'm wondering is, you get this money that's against the rules... WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT??? You can't RETURN it, it's ANONYMOUS... ???

Do you burn it? Hand it over to the Feds? Donate it to a charity? Tell everyone in the office "Working Lunch Today!"???


30 posted on 10/15/2004 12:02:43 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: Howlin

Knowing what I do know about the FEC quagmire, I'm impressed that this was all there was.

Bush, Dole, Clinton, Gore, Kerry et al all have legions of lawyers and accountants that deal with this stuff, and still have major problems. They have the combined resources of a major party apparatus at their disposal.

The Keyes campaign in 2000 was a conservative grassroots campaign that operated on a tiny fraction of the financial and human resources that other campaigns run on. In my opinion, the good people that waded through it all are to be commended.

And I wasn't 'smearing' Bob Dole. I was simply pointing out reality. I know it is a reality you don't want to admit to, but oh well.


31 posted on 10/15/2004 12:06:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: EternalVigilance
$168,200 worth of contributions over the individual donation limit

And the grassroots missed this HOW?

32 posted on 10/15/2004 12:07:41 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: EternalVigilance

First, everyone, I just checked and Luis' profile is showing that he's not banned. He may have been told to cool it, but that's all.

Second, what happened in the Keyes campaign in 2000 (and this was before EV came on to the campaign formally, I remember reading articles on this back then) was the result of honest mistakes by the citizen volunteers that staffed the Keyes campaign. The person who was the Grassroots Coordinator was quoted as saying that the FEC regs made the IRS look simple and understandable.


33 posted on 10/15/2004 12:07:47 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt (John Kerry: The Wrong Candidate, for the Wrong Office, at the Wrong Time)
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To: Howlin
And the grassroots missed this HOW?

Care to clarify that question?

34 posted on 10/15/2004 12:10:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: LouAvul
Accounting irregularities by an overworked staff can happen in the rush and turmoil of any campaign, particularly with a candidate like Keyes, for whom the message is all that matters.

Money is probably the furthest thing from his mind.

35 posted on 10/15/2004 12:10:37 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: EternalVigilance

If you need it clarified, perhaps you're part of the problem.


36 posted on 10/15/2004 12:11:11 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: All
You can help!

37 posted on 10/15/2004 12:12:09 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: LouAvul

Take out your checkbooks.


38 posted on 10/15/2004 12:12:20 PM PDT by pete anderson
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To: Howlin

Yes, I did get your point. Just teasing you a little at Bob's expense.

I certainly agree that the "we all do it" defense is tactic of distraction, not a credible defense... Although I don't think the list was meant so much as a defense of Keyes but rather as an indictment of double-standard/hypocrisy (maybe that's not the best word but something like that) on behalf of the Keyes' bashers jumping on the report as if it's a stake in Keyes' heart, when they clearly dismiss similar allegations regarding people they approve of.


39 posted on 10/15/2004 12:13:16 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: Howlin
If you need it clarified, perhaps you're part of the problem.

Or perhaps it was a silly, meaningless question...

40 posted on 10/15/2004 12:13:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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