Posted on 10/14/2004 2:15:18 PM PDT by Hawk44
I didn't understand racism, just a comment on how far things have advanced in the US that a black man was able to have his day. (Both sides were heard, and most have an opinion on the matter with nothing to do with his race)
She told Detective Winters that he DID, in fact, stop when she told him she didn't want to go any further.
And why would a guy who intended to rape a girl ask her to go into the jacuzzi with him?
I'm not going to argue with you about it. The poster has retracted it.
You know, after reading more than I like to admit about this case I finally believe that she did plan on some set up. At the least, she wanted to have some kind of tryst with him (groupie?) and when it was a little less romantic and a little more violent than could be construed by her as anything resembling a 'hook-up' she changed her attitude and made a report.
I haven't been following the threads lately on this, where are you on the matter?
what did he retract? What was racist?
It sounds like he only stopped after he had already satisfied his rapacious desires.
Thats how far we've come in this country: someone has to apologize for a non-existant racist comment just because he's accused of racism!
Amazing.
No -- only rapists. And in my analysis of the case, even given the girl's collapse under pressure, that is still what I believe Kobe Bryant is.
It is apparent that he would have prefered to have her consent (and perhaps had never been told "no" before).
That is not the testimony given by Detective Winters in court, according to the transcripts.
Detective Winters said he had to go back and ask her THREE times why she didn't tell him no.
As for this
and I believe Bryant himself called it "the strangling".
This is his own interview:
Detective Loya: Did you ever have her from the back of her head or her neck? Were you ... ? What kind of intercourse was it?
Bryant: (inaudible) held her from the back? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Detective Loya: Yeah.
(Lots of voices talking over.)
Bryant: (Inaudible). All right um ... (inaudible)
Detective Loya: I don’t want you to demonstrate.
Bryant: I held her from the back and I went like this.
Detective Loya: So what did you have around her neck?
Bryant: I had my right hand like this and my other hand like that.
Detective Winters: Okay.
Detective Loya: Okay.
Bryant: But ... (inaudible).
Detective Loya: How hard were you holding her?
Detective Winters: OK, all right.
Bryant: I don’t know. My hands are strong. I don’t know.
And then this:
Bryant: She had all this time to sit there and thing that this happened coincidentally or whatever and um (unclear) the strangling thing you have to go talk to this girl (inaudible) Michelle.
That certainly sounds like an accusation SHE made to the detectives; he's not calling it strangulation.
And more:
Detective Loya: Did you ever ask her if you wanted, if you could ...
Bryant: Yes. That’s when she said no. That’s when she said no. That’s when she said no.
Detective Loya: So what did, what did you say?
Detective Winters: What did you say, how did that, how did that come about?
Bryant: Um, you know, that’s when I asked if I could ..., she said no.
Detective Loya: So you like to ... ?
Bryant: That’s my thing, not always, I mean, so I stopped. Jesus Christ man. (Inaudible).
Well, I follow this case; how about pointing out where he admitted strangling her.
ok, I'll bite...yes, we should treat Adultery like Perjury....
Phil Jackson said that?
Then you pay for the prisons, out of your own pocket.
I don't know how it started; he made a really huge mistake, not to mention a horrible choice of a girl to pick up -- and I have NO idea what her motives are.
I just know one thing: if we're counting lies, Kobe told one: that he wasn't with her.
I've lost count of hers.
The facts strongly suggest otherwise. She had little time to prepare to set him up and never made a demand for money before contacting the police.
At the least, she wanted to have some kind of tryst with him (groupie?) and when it was a little less romantic and a little more violent than could be construed by her as anything resembling a 'hook-up' she changed her attitude and made a report.
Only if you consider rape "a little more violent" than consensual sex.
Nope. Didn't happen.
Oh, please...that wasn't "asking permission."
Well, you are entitled to that belief, but, given the facts of the case, you are in a very distinct minority.
Have you read his statement and hers, too?
They both agree it started off as petting. According to HIM, she lifted her shirt and bent over the chair.
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