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Outsourcing Myths -- Debunked! The stats say simply, clearly, that this whole issue is overblown.
National Review Online ^ | October 13, 2004 | Bruce Bartlett

Posted on 10/13/2004 9:16:36 AM PDT by xsysmgr

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To: RogueIsland

Our school district had to insource teachers! We live in a heavily Hispanic community and we have a shortage of bi-lingual teachers. We insource from Spain and PI.


61 posted on 10/13/2004 2:19:52 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: LowCountryJoe

Why don't you fill me in? I'm interested in learning how insurers' reserves are relevant to the topic at hand.

And Bruce Bartlett is too an idiot.


62 posted on 10/13/2004 2:21:07 PM PDT by MTOrlando
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To: MTOrlando; LowCountryJoe; RightOnTheLeftCoast; Willie Green; xsysmgr; AndyMeyers

Here are the latest employment statistics from the Bureau of Labor Statistics dated October 8, 2004

Employee Statistics (Workers employed by others)
From Peak Employment 03/01 to 09/04 -940,000
From Lowest Employemnt 11/01 to 9/04 +696,000

Household Statistics (Workers self employed and employed by others)
From Peak Employment 03/01 to 09/04 +2,254,000
From Lowest Employment 11/01 to 09/04 +3,464,000

The Democrats claim 1.6 million jobs lost, since Bush took office, and that is simply not true.

The Republicans claim that 1.3 million jobs have been created over the last 13 months and, based on BLS statistics, that is accurate, if we use the "Employee" statistic.

If "Household" measure, which includes workers who start their own businesses and work for themselves as well as employees who work for others, is used then more than 2 million jobs have been created since Bush took office.

I am not sure what justification the BLS has for not including the employed who work for themselves in determining "employment" in the US.


63 posted on 10/13/2004 2:42:36 PM PDT by AndyMeyers
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To: LowCountryJoe
I guess that you feel that capital mobility and the freedom to exchange it how you wish (providing laws aren't broken) is somehow a bad thing.

Capital mobility is fine. It's mobility of the factors of production that is a problem, and the two are not the same thing.

Would you support handing over control of our political system to the UN? If not, how can you justify handing over control of the this country's economy to foreign nations who most certainly cannot be trusted to act in our best interest?
64 posted on 10/13/2004 2:43:14 PM PDT by MTOrlando
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To: AndyMeyers
I'll do ya one better.

Take a look at the actual employment numbers including a graph in Excel format: http://www.speakeasy.org/~dervish/Employment.xls
65 posted on 10/13/2004 2:51:09 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: AndyMeyers
The Republicans claim that 1.3 million jobs have been created over the last 13 months and, based on BLS statistics, that is accurate, if we use the "Employee" statistic.

.In 2002, there were 4,019,280 births in the United States, down slightly from 2001 (4,025,933). source

Assuming a constant birthrate (it's actually been declining for several years) and no immigration, we can safely assume there are about 4 million new entrants into the "job market" each year. Think of this year's batch of new entrants being those who were born in 1986 and are just now turning 18.

If we assume half of those are female and will be instant housewives, that's still 2 million new potential employees entering the workforce.

Even if the government labor statistics were reliable - and they're not - job creation during the last 13 months is not even close to sufficient.
66 posted on 10/13/2004 2:56:37 PM PDT by MTOrlando
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Great graph, thanks.

There is no data on "Household" employment, which shows that employment did increase under Bush.

If we stick to "Employee" data, I think we make the Democrats' point for them. I believe we should emphasize employment data that reflects both self employed as well as those who work for others. It is a more accurate reflection of those actually employed.


67 posted on 10/13/2004 2:58:28 PM PDT by AndyMeyers
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To: AndyMeyers
The Democrats claim 1.6 million jobs lost, since Bush took office, and that is simply not true.
The Republicans claim that 1.3 million jobs have been created over the last 13 months and, based on BLS statistics, that is accurate, if we use the "Employee" statistic.

In a totally nauseating role reversal, the 'Rats are pointing at PRIVATE SECTOR employment while the pseudo-conservative Administration is dependent on hyping the growth of Big Government employment to minimize the criticism.

69 posted on 10/13/2004 4:44:26 PM PDT by Willie Green (Hawkins/Tonnelson in 2004!!!)
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To: superiorslots

a recovery is when Daschle loses his job.


70 posted on 10/13/2004 7:39:49 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece:If Marx is your hero, Kerry is your candidate.)
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To: xsysmgr
The consequences of outsourcing technical jobs are wide-ranging.

First off, many laid-off engineers and other technical people have *not* been able to replace their income. Some see that as an opportunity for sneering - go ahead. But financially, when families have one or two laid-off workers who get new jobs at substantially *less* income, the effect ripples throughout the economy.

How? People forclose on their mortgages. Women who weren't working go back to work (count in social costs of latchkey children; unsupervised teenagers getting into trouble, etc.) Family income and thus spending drop, or consumer debt goes up (adding to foreclosures & bankruptcies.) Medical insurance is lost - resulting in more debt, and long-term consequences to health for the whole family (i.e. greater costs down the road.)

Then consider other consequences. Enrollment in engineering & computer science programs has dropped over the past 2 years by half in many major engineering programs. Less US engineering students means several things: more foreign engineering students (i.e. more security risks.) Less enrollment in these programs means eventually some will be closed.

Less technically educated people means that our society will *lack* a critical mass of math/science literate people. IMO this is a critical *national defense* issue. You simply cannot ramp up "production" of math/science literate people the way you do a cheap Chinese manufacturing company.

So those who poo-poo outsourcing consequences can fiddle while Rome burns - for awhile, at least, until the barbarians show up at the gate with other ideas.

71 posted on 10/13/2004 7:44:47 PM PDT by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: MTOrlando
That statement was a terrible blunder on my part. I know what I was thinking but I'm incorrect about that one. I suppose I could attempt to argue my point by showing how those assets (insurers reserves) indirectly come from the balance of payments from trade through the wealth effect but it is twice removed and a very argument.

I can however, with full confidence this time, state that because of our trade deficit, foreign banks have purchased American assets. When the buy our debt, we use those loanable funds to finance things such as business expansion and homeownership. Because they continue to buy, it keeps interest rates on loans low for American consumers and businesses. When the buy our equity securities, the take a stake in America and become partial owners of our businesses. This makes them interdependent on the health of our economy and less apt to try and ruin it. Their stock transaction provide more market liquidity. When they buy our property many times they will use it to run one of their multi national corporations from, in-sourcing jobs that require higher skilled labor, running their corporations from our soil.

Does this at all seem bad to you? Perhaps you'd like it the other way around and for us to be financing them, increasing their investment activities and expansions. The truth is, it really doesn't matter because it's two different sides of the same coin and all the countries involved will benefit in their unique way. Are their tradeoffs? Yes, there are in everything; which way do you want it?

72 posted on 10/14/2004 3:20:58 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (Go, Willie, go!)
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To: MTOrlando

No body dies or retires in the US?


73 posted on 10/14/2004 2:29:56 PM PDT by AndyMeyers
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