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Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
New York Sun ^ | 10/13/2004 | BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun

Posted on 10/13/2004 12:54:03 AM PDT by politicket

Edited on 10/13/2004 1:07:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: politicket

Actually, I'd love to see our Swiftboat Vets come out with a "Late edition" political advertisement on this.



521 posted on 10/13/2004 9:59:49 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: television is just wrong

Because the man who should have won is a conservative and, of course, Carter had been lobbying them since the Peace Accord (he took credit for...) this was a chance for the Nobel people to put it back in Bush's face. Disgraceful, but not as disgraceful as this black woman they gave an award to this year and is now saying white people created AIDs to kill all the blacks...


522 posted on 10/13/2004 11:26:25 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: judicial meanz

>>"DD-215's are only issued by the Board of Correction of Naval Records."<<

Not so. Most personnel officers at major afloat commands or at servicing Personnel Support Activities/Detachments ashore keep a small number of 215s on hand to correct 214s after they've been issued.

I have one correcting my pay entry base date. And, while I was still a Personnelman, I can recall having prepared a few. The key to this is what was being corrected, who had the record, and who's directing the change. From what I see on his 215, our hero had added a few awards that were either not yet awarded at the time of his panicked retreat or overlooked by the young Sailor who prepared the form.

>>"there is also no such medal as a Silver Star with a "V". The Silver star is issued for valor, so there is no need for a "V".

There is a Bronze Star with a "V", however. Makes me wonder exactly which medal he was awarded. "<<

I'd simply chalk this one up to an admin error on the part of the clerk typing the thing up and a failure of both Kerry and the personnel officer to catch it. It's meaningless, really. He could have had the "Starfleet Command Medal for Something Really, Really Signficant (with Vulcan Clusters)" and it would equally meaningless.

Just another error in this comedy of errors.

Alas, we'll know nothing until the records are released.

Sign the 180 and be man for once, Mr. Kerry!


523 posted on 10/14/2004 1:09:52 AM PDT by Goat Locker Freeper ("Si vis pacem, para bellum.")
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To: politicket; NYC GOP Chick; Lil'freeper; cyborg

Heluva bombshell dropped in the last sentence.


524 posted on 10/14/2004 5:05:58 AM PDT by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: sauropod

bttt


525 posted on 10/14/2004 8:31:27 AM PDT by Truth Table
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To: AMDG&BVMH

Fortunately, it did not work, due to the fake memo scam.

Notice how kerry looked in the debate last night? Several comments: “It’s two hours after the event. I don’t remember many specifics. I do remember that Bush was personable, upbeat, human and articulate (he seemed to have gained about 20 IQ points since debate #1) while Kerry was near-funereal. He even looked like a mortician. Where’s the Man Tan when you need it?”--Kaus or “Bush was confident, Kerry looked exhausted. Did he spend the day visiting hurricane victims or something? Hasn’t he been off the trail for like, 72 hours? What, was he up late watching Edwards on Jay Leno?”--Geraghty

He knows that what the vets in "stolen honor" are going to say; and perhaps has an understanding of possible questions they are going to going to ask rhetorically. He is worried. And he should be.

526 posted on 10/14/2004 8:43:17 AM PDT by Truth Table
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To: sauropod

BTTT


527 posted on 10/14/2004 8:50:25 AM PDT by DollyCali (The wounded, confused, candidate Heaped & dazed in the CORNER is declared winner by MSM.(AGAIN))
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To: Truth Table

"Kerry was near-funereal."

Yes, he was. His eyes were so puffy, and even the make up made him look like a body in a casket.

"He is worried. And he should be."

good observation

I have been looking at threads to see if there was any more news about his discharge, etc. All in good time, I suppose . . . It must be hard on him, waiting for the various pieces of his past life to fall into place so that we all can see the true picture . . . I don't see how he can live with himself.


528 posted on 10/14/2004 9:13:26 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: AMDG&BVMH

Keep your thumb on this thread. I suspect it will become very important soon.

The wheels are coming off of the Kerry Campaign. I hope that part of what Bush Whispered into Kerry's ear last night after the debates was "John, will live to regret your remarks about Mary Cheney tonight..."


529 posted on 10/14/2004 9:39:19 AM PDT by Truth Table
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To: Truth Table

"Keep your thumb on this thread. "

Thanks

Bump


530 posted on 10/14/2004 9:49:31 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: AMDG&BVMH

Limbaugh Just brought up Kerry's military records. It's started...


531 posted on 10/14/2004 10:23:19 AM PDT by Truth Table
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To: Truth Table

"It's started..."

drat, I missed it! Had Hannity on for a while following Rush's program, and he did not "tease" it yet.

Bump


532 posted on 10/14/2004 1:03:01 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: ConservativeMan55; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; JulieRNR21; Cindy; Smartass; sweetliberty; ...

'Tis sad, but true...

...SOMEthing went terribly wrong, SOMEwhere.

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533 posted on 10/14/2004 2:27:59 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (Benedict Arnold was ALSO a 'war hero' ...before he became a Traitor.)
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To: Seadog Bytes

just got home - what's up with this? I can't read thru it fast enough...


534 posted on 10/14/2004 2:37:34 PM PDT by bitt
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To: Seadog Bytes

He is a traitor, not much of a war hero. How can so many people be wrong about this man??? I sure don't know. Nor do I get it.

He is the Benedict Arnold of our time.


535 posted on 10/14/2004 2:38:57 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens.)
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To: television is just wrong

"not much of a war hero"

an understatement for sure . . .

probably worse IN ACTUAL EFFECT than Benedict Arnold. After all, the Brits did not get West Point, which he planned to betray. But the Commies did get Viet Nam.

It is absolutely incredible that the world goes on treating this election as just another horse race -- as though Kerry were an honorable candidate for President. As though the choice between him and President Bush is reducible to debating points. . .

I am waiting for Kerry's chickens to come home to roost -- and maybe the use of the chicken metaphor is not a mere pun . . .


536 posted on 10/14/2004 7:27:34 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Seadog Bytes; All

I know the RAT sheeple look at Kerry through rose colored glasses...but how can anyone HONESTLY say they'd vote for a man who turned his back on his fellow comrades in arms as a young man and will turn his back on me and my fellow soldiers if he's elected president? Can we really as a nation afford to find out the answer to that question?


537 posted on 10/14/2004 7:33:55 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!)
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To: txradioguy

"RAT sheeple look at Kerry through rose colored glasses"

Methinks it is worse than that. Their glasses are fine. They just would rather have the Democrats in POWER -- for whatever personal reason/gain that causes them to vote for them.

The consequences on the nation at large, the world at large, on our fighting forces?

These do not enter into their calculation -- not the convinced Kerry voter. IOW, they do not CARE.

The politicians among them, will mouth concern about our troops because they think it resounds well with the voters. Otherwise, they would be trashing the military as is their natural wont . . . see Clinton, see Kerry after he got back from VN, see . . . etc. etc.


538 posted on 10/14/2004 7:39:34 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: AMDG&BVMH

me too.


539 posted on 10/14/2004 8:48:39 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens.)
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To: txradioguy; All
RE: "I know the RAT sheeple look at Kerry through rose colored glasses...but how can anyone HONESTLY say they'd vote for a man who turned his back on his fellow comrades in arms as a young man and will turn his back on me and my fellow soldiers if he's elected president? Can we really as a nation afford to find out the answer to that question?"


(Click on the
'Life ring' for more.)

(Please FReepmail if you want on, or off, this list. I certainly have no desire to increase anyone’s stress-level. Thanks!!!)

540 posted on 10/16/2004 1:23:01 AM PDT by Seadog Bytes ('Smart Growth'...ISN'T.)
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