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War Gave Us Caesar (a Paleocon Rant)
Ludwig Von Mises Institute ^ | October 12, 2004 | Adam Young

Posted on 10/12/2004 8:47:46 AM PDT by robowombat

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To: BlackElk
best interests of the United States and her citizens and those of genuine Western Civilization.

C'mon BE--why not the Universe?

41 posted on 10/16/2004 3:48:36 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: BlackElk
The limits to domestic intervention are, regrettably, whatever limits the SCOTUS is willing to recognize.

SCOTUS certainly did not "limit" the massacre at Waco, nor the forcible deportation of a 5-year-old to Cuba.

42 posted on 10/16/2004 3:50:22 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: BlackElk; tpaine
Libertarians are conservitives that haven't grown up yet and like to smoke dope. Think of them as Republican Hippies, you can't go back to the America First again.

I agree with some of what they have to say but in general they make me ill.

43 posted on 10/16/2004 3:51:10 PM PDT by Little Bill (John F'n Kerry is a self promoting scumbag!)
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To: BlackElk
libertarianism

...."into disrepute'????

Libertarians who are honest admit that they begin from the presumption that there is no God.

What "reputation" do they have to LOSE?

44 posted on 10/16/2004 3:52:11 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: kjvail

Your link goes to a thought-provoking essay, indeed.

Thanks.


45 posted on 10/16/2004 4:17:55 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: mike182d

You sir, are correct.

Lord, what a load of indoctrination those neosoc's must get.


46 posted on 10/16/2004 4:27:27 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Little Bill
Little Bill wrote:

Libertarians are conservitives that haven't grown up yet -- I agree with some of what they have to say but in general they make me ill.

Bill, - you've got it backwards. -- Your illness leads you to believe odd things about people & philosophies you can't understand.
Get some help.

Community Mental Health Hot Line
http://www.jurban.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/3/417

47 posted on 10/16/2004 4:37:46 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine
Like a dog to red meat, I haven't seen you around for awhile so I thought I would rattle your cage.

Still distorting the Constitution in an effort to make us all learn Spanish, open boarders?

I have been reading a good deal of Libertarian literature, Rothbard in particular, interesting fellow, Browne is a self serving Ahole whom I have hated for years. Murray realized in his dotage that he was really a Conservative which I thought I was rather neat.

Good to see that you are alive and Lurking, Bill.

48 posted on 10/16/2004 4:57:17 PM PDT by Little Bill (John F'n Kerry is a self promoting scumbag!)
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To: ninenot; BlackElk
-- the Ludwig von Mises Institute and its little band of obsessive neo-isolationist pacifist wimps manage simultaneously to bring both libertarianism and Ludwig von Mises (one of the very best minds of the 20th Century) into disrepute by misusing their names.

35 BlackElk

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libertarianism ...."into disrepute'????

Libertarians who are honest admit that they begin from the presumption that there is no God.

44 9not

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Elk is right. Honest libertarians would disavow many of the points made in the article.

And your idiocy about libertarian philosophy beginning with "the presumption that there is no God", is simply ignorance.

-- "No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another" is perhaps the most basic premise of libertarianism.
49 posted on 10/16/2004 5:09:53 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Little Bill
Bill, - you've got it backwards. -- Your illness leads you to believe odd things about people & philosophies you can't understand.
Get some help.

Like a dog to red meat, I haven't seen you around for awhile so I thought I would rattle your cage.

Thanks. I enjoy encaging you with your silly, babyish rattling.

Still distorting the Constitution in an effort to make us all learn Spanish, open boarders?

Didn't JR shut you up on that issue in the last discussion here?
No one at FR wants either completely 'open borders', or a completely closed society. -- We have to conform to our Constitutions rule of law on that issue, just as we do on all the others.

I have been reading a good deal of Libertarian literature, Rothbard in particular, interesting fellow, Browne is a self serving Ahole whom I have hated for years. Murray realized in his dotage that he was really a Conservative which I thought I was rather neat.

Good to see that you are alive and Lurking, -- and confused as usual, -- little Billy.

50 posted on 10/16/2004 5:27:46 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine; Little Bill

Ah, yes. When LB calls a spade a spade, out comes the Libertarian to deny what all eyes can see.

Free Trade, "all have rights" (but nothing about obligations)---yes, indeedy, the dope-smoker wing of the Republican Party.

Tell me, tpaine, why would ANY Libertarian vote for Bush? Not because of his love for the Restrained Government written into the Constitution. Not for his love of Freedom of (Political) Speech. Certainly not for his "Faith-Based" and equally Un-Constitutional initiatives. And MOST certainly not for his mission to save the world from disease and to install "freedom" (to vote?)---

Is it just taxes?


51 posted on 10/16/2004 5:50:15 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: tpaine
Didn't JR shut you up on that issue in the last discussion here?

Wasn't me. I gave up beating up on Libertarians when I was supporting Karla Howell for Gov and collecting signatures for the repeal of the Mass Income Tax, well Karla until Mitt jumped in.

Several of us got slapped, not hard, by an Admin Mod for beating up on _Jim for acting like an apparatchik but I apologized when he made two Conservative posts in a row, it must have been fatal because I haven't seen him around lately.

Good to hear from you, Bill.

52 posted on 10/16/2004 5:55:20 PM PDT by Little Bill (John F'n Kerry is a self promoting scumbag!)
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To: Shryke
This idiot is attemping to discredit our PRESIDENT.

Heaven forfend!

Or did you forget (/sarcasm)?

53 posted on 10/16/2004 6:09:42 PM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan)
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To: ninenot
Libertarians who are honest admit that they begin from the presumption that there is no God.
44 9not

-- your idiocy about libertarian philosophy beginning with "the presumption that there is no God", is simply ignorance.
-- "No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another" is perhaps the most basic premise of libertarianism.

Ah, yes. When LB calls a spade a spade, out comes the Libertarian to deny what all eyes can see.

What am I denying that you "see"?

Free Trade, "all have rights" (but nothing about obligations)---yes, indeedy, the dope-smoker wing of the Republican Party. Tell me, tpaine, why would ANY Libertarian vote for Bush? Not because of his love for the Restrained Government written into the Constitution. Not for his love of Freedom of (Political) Speech. Certainly not for his "Faith-Based" and equally Un-Constitutional initiatives. And MOST certainly not for his mission to save the world from disease and to install "freedom" (to vote?)--- Is it just taxes?

Beats the hell out of me what you're ranting about here 9not. Do you have a point?

54 posted on 10/16/2004 6:10:01 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: ninenot
Tpaine is not a bad fellow just deluded, I have supported Libertarian ballot initives on taxes and some other issues, that I as a small government republican would be expected to support with time and money and I have, but many of these people have half developed ideas and frankly have drunk to much bong water.

Instead of forming a wing of the party with an agenda that is in someways to the right, they help defeat our candidates an help impose a rat slavery up on us.

55 posted on 10/16/2004 6:10:57 PM PDT by Little Bill (John F'n Kerry is a self promoting scumbag!)
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To: Little Bill

JR is not _Jim, and I'm not 'Bill'.

You drinking tonight, billy?


56 posted on 10/16/2004 6:12:29 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Little Bill

Little Bill wrote:

Instead of forming a wing of the party with an agenda that is in someways to the right, they help defeat our candidates an help impose a rat slavery up on us.

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The RLC, -- which I support, has been established for many years.

A few years ago JR started a new forum at FR:


Free Republic RLC Liberty Caucus
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/rlc/browse

The 'wing' is there, and the rat RINOS that run the GOP ignore it.

So do most libertarians.



57 posted on 10/16/2004 6:31:03 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine
Good to see that you have found Christ, I have supported them for many years myself. I signed up as a coordinator in Northern Essex County, but they needed more time than I could give so I had to opt out.

Small Government has an appeal to Massholes if you could get enough grass roots people together, a daunting task.

58 posted on 10/16/2004 7:01:00 PM PDT by Little Bill (John F'n Kerry is a self promoting scumbag!)
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To: ninenot

I think the SF approach is the most effective and is working pretty much everywhere. It is working and we are quietly seeing a pretty big bang for the buck in host countries. You would be surprised what leverage can do. Things are right now being done that are extremely efficient in the global counterror environment that do not require a million man army. Take 6 guys and have them show 600 guys how to "kill snakes" etc. It uses less personnel and reduces our global footprint. Effective. No arguments to be lost there.


59 posted on 10/18/2004 2:13:10 PM PDT by Bald Eagle777 (Death AND taxes. The Democrats offer both. VOTE BUSH/CHENEY in '04 !! www.georgewbush.com)
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