Neocons March Left

American Conservative Union Foundation ^ | 29 Sep 04 | Timothy P. Carney

[EaglesUpForever]

You can call names, but you are short on facts.

I posted: (1) a link to a BBC article about Osama bin Laden and the CIA in Afghanistan, and (2) a picture of Brzezinski with Osama in 1980.

Now apologize, present some reason this makes me any of the epithets you've spewed forth in your dull-minded hissy fit, or shut up.

[swilhelm73]

Again, you can't hide from the facts.

You can claim the CIA trained Osama and then try and waffle all you want.

You are a leftist troll, and a particularly poor one at that.

[swilhelm73]

Oh, and for the record, that is not Osama Bin Laden in your picture troll. Though it isn't suprising to see that the Jew hating contigent thinks all south asians look alike too.

[EaglesUpForever]

I don't think the CIA training bin Laden to kill off the Soviet Union was necessarily a bad thing. If you bury your head in the sand, you'll make Moore look like your intellectual superior. Sad to say, he is. If you're conservative, which I doubt (I think you're just a crybaby liar that comes here to assault people that point out fact when you lie) but if you are a conservative, you are a particularly stupid one that makes conservatives look bad.

I am probably far more conservative than you, and I'm not a troll. Take your stupid post earlier, for example: you asserted a lie about Osama, and were called on it by three Freepers. You have the factual integrity of Dan Rather, and the temperament of Hillary. Thus you are definitely very similar to a leftist.

Whatever you believe your political convictions to be based on, whether you say "Go Bush!" or "Go Kerry!" you have such a soggy mind that you flail out and call people names without reading what they've posted, thus you are a losing voice, a Dukakis among voices. You would better advance the conservative cause by pretending to be a liberal.

Gather your thoughts, first, look up some history, breathe deeply, then post. But please apologize to me before replying again, as I never said the things you claimed I said.

[EaglesUpForever]

> that is not Osama Bin Laden in your picture

Right, Mr. Heinz-Kerry, even though Brzezinski acknowledged that was bin Laden, you would bury your head in the sand and deny the truth. Next you will be telling us how "help is on the way."

[swilhelm73]

You can lie all you want, and present leftist agitprop, but no one is buying it.

Go back to DU and hang out with the other DUmmies. You've worn out your welcome here with your hatred for the United States and your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.

Fact 1: The US never worked with or supported Osama Bin Laden.

Fact 2: You know it.

[swilhelm73]

LOL.

You can spew leftist vitriol and then claim to be any kind of conservative. HA.

Admit it troll. The other guys at DU put you up to it, so you decided to try and see if we FReepers were gullible enough to buy the Moorite line.

You failed.

I'll admit, I was almost prepared to direct you to the tinfoil hat store, but you just aren't smooth enough to pull off the insanity as anything other then an act, rather like your mentor (unless it really is you Mike Moore).

[EaglesUpForever]

1. The US worked with Osama in 1980.
2. Accepting this documented fact is in no way leftist or troll-like.

[swilhelm73]

Again, you are lying, and we both know it.

The US never worked with Osama.

Just because your hero Mike Moore says something doesn't make it true troll.

[EaglesUpForever]

Michael Moore is a big fat idiot, we can agree on that one thing... but it is his interpretation that is skewed, a few of his facts are correct.

I think the reason your panties are in such a twist is that you can't differentiate between facts and the interpretation of those facts.

You have alot of nerve calling a conservative such as myself a "leftist" or a "troll."

[swilhelm73]

You are no conservative, troll.

You are a run of the mill America hating leftist.

You'll feel better if you admit it too...

So how many times did you watch F911 in the theaters?

[EaglesUpForever]

Never saw that movie, Ms. Clinton.

[EaglesUpForever]

Moore's strongest argument is the existence of pretend conservatives like yourself - if every conservative were as dumb as you, Kerry would be winning in a landslide.

[hlmencken3]

From the cited article

"So a war most conservatives had backed as a preemptive and unapologetic defense of our homeland and our allies from killer weapons was being explained to us after the fact as a humanitarian mission and an enforcement of UN resolutions."

That seems to sum it up.

If no further casualties had occurred after the ousting of Saddam, I'm sure liberals would be spinning it this way. Upon reflection, isn't that how the President is spinning it?

I'd guess the neocon influence is over-estimated. Those wanting to ensure a free market for oil are probably more influential than ideological neocons. Also, it always seemed to me the the President and many other others actually DO understand militant, exclusivist Islam (flush with oil money in the last generation), but maintain a facade of political correctness.

[SauronOfMordor]

He also omits the (small-l) libertarian wing, in favor of less government across the board, less regulation, less "social" spending, and keeping our noses out of foreign conflicts that do not affect the security of the United States

[Conspiracy Guy]

Until this point I thought you were a thinker. But I can see you don't know how to play poker.

[Conspiracy Guy]

I have been following EC's posts for several days, he is on the edge of not fitting in.

[A. Pole]

As for your notion that the US helped the Taliban and AQ, well, such an absurd notion should be left for the tinfoil hat brigades within the fever swamp of the far left.

I don't know about AQ, but when most of Afghanistan was dominated by Taliban while northern and eastern part was controlled by the Northern Allience, it was Northern Allience which was supported by Russia and Iran. Taliban was receiving help from US under pretexts like fight against drug trade.

[A. Pole]

As a neo-con I find myself NOT recognizing this characterization - we all know neo-con is really a euphemism for "dirty Jew."

Why? Are you a Jew? If not, then you see that neo-con does not mean Jew, if yes then it is not related.

[MEG33]

http://www.public-i.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=23&L1=10&L2=70&L3=10&L4=0&L5=0

Qsama was helping the war against Russia in Afghanistan and so were we..We therefore did have the same goals..and some relationship..He had the Saudis funds. We were working closely with the ISI in Pakistan.It was the cold war..