Posted on 10/11/2004 4:39:49 PM PDT by Ed Current
Bush is pro-life and, for the most part, against the gay-angenda. (He's not dismantled the ridiculous "don't ask, don't tell policy for the military enacted under Clinton - why not?) These two items alone would disqualify him from being a bona-fide neocon.
Good analysis. I think you pretty much nailed it.
Hey Troll, how's DU treating you?
Sorry I couldn't get back to your flaming leftwing self, but I was busy arguing with a pro-abortion friend of yours on FR, trolling much like you, and prepping my local Rep candidate for her debate. I have to make sure we have fewer leftists like yourself in office after all, troll.
Anyway, looks like your hero Moore is getting slammed of late between the likes of Fellowship 911 and Team America. Feeling sad?
Either Bush is being controlled by a devious Jewish, err, neocon, conspiracy, as the left and paleo- so called "conservatives" (PSCCs) claim, or he is the head neocon.
He is also a moderate conservative (not a MSM "moderate", aka leftist, like Chafee).
So, as I've said before, neocon = conservative
Sad sad day that I'm asked to dispute leftwing conspiracy theories on FR, but what the hell;
http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Board=freespace&Number=34746
We worked with the ISI and the Saudis..Osama worked with the ISI and the Saudis..therefore we worked with Osama is the convoluted path....
See who sold what weapons to Iraq pre 1991 and we are a blip on a screen..Google and one would think we totally armed Saddam by reading the articles..I know they twist the real facts..
Again, read the link I posted.
Everyone involved, both AQ and American CIA staff, has stated they had no ties.
There is no *evidence* of a connection outside of Mike Moore's imagination.
And it should be noted, in a comparable situation, our aide to both Iran and Iraq are well documented.
I am agreeing..just showing how hard they try to connect the dots.
I am grateful for the link..It would have added welcome refutation to the conversation that has gone before.
Ah, ok. One of the problems with online discussion, intent can sometimes be difficult to judge.
I tell you though, I've been seriously thinking of investing in whoever makes Reynolds Wrap. As bad as it is now, I would imagine after the coming Bush landslide the Left is really going to go bonkers. ;)
Since we posted all this Kristol must have received an avalanche of mail as Sunday morning he was Bush supporter no 1!..LOL...He gets pouty because he isn't in the inner circle. No one is sitting at his feet.
Tin foil hat out of storage now.
99 posted on 10/12/2004 8:18:07 AM CDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
I had to get it on for this thread..LOL!..Did you see that diatribe posted by an Ed Crissom,IIRC posted today..It was deleted pretty early but it accused Bush of everything but the plague...supposedly by a "conservative"
Wow, and I thought you'd gone back and read your stupid posts and realized what an ass you've made of yourself.
You are very much like Michael Moore, in that you make up history to suit your taste, and lash out against patriots. Go take your hissy fit out against someone else, I'm a conservative and you are an ignorant punk.
Ass? The only ass around here is the Democrat party logo you keep on your computer.
Look troll, following Mike Moore as you do is no sign of a conservative. If you were a better troll you wouldn't have made such an obvious screw up...but you aren't.
Perhaps giving up and going home to DU isn't until the 300 level classes at the Democrat trolling seminar you are attending, but face it, you've been schooled.
Wow a link!!! AMAZING, a first time for everything. Much more eloquent than your earlier personal attacks.
Freeper 1: Excuse me, here's some evidence that the CIA funded the organization that later became Al Queda (MAK).
Swillhelm73: Troll! Liberal! Moore-lover!
Freeper 2: Excuse me, but he's right, go see for yourself (link)
Swillhelm73: Troll! Liberal! Moore-lover!
Freeper 3: But seriously, he is right, go see for yourself
(link)
Swillhelm73: Troll! Liberal! Moore-lover!
You would be presenting yourself as less of a loser if you had started off answering back with links.
But as far as links go, this was weak. So Bin Laden says he had no payment from the CIA? Whee, we can trust all he says. Did you believe your terrorist friend when he said he had nothing to do with 9/11 too?
In any case, if you ever get out of your cantankerous stupor long enough to listen and research, please consider whether it makes ANY difference whether the CIA paid the billions of $ to the ISI, who in turn paid this money to Hekmaytar, the MAK, and others, who were working with bin Laden at the time, or whether there is a check "to Osama, Love CIA" sitting around somewhere. Who cares? We flowed tons of money into the Afghanistan resistance, which became the Taliban and Al Queda. And we (on Clinton's watch) failed to recognize the threats that we'd helped create.
I don't think the initial support was some sort of sin. It worked fine with respect to the Soviets, you can't underestimate the importance of winning the Cold War. The deadly errors came later, when bin Laden split off from the MAK, and our intelligence and preoccupied "leader" (busy "not having sexual relations" in the oval office) failed to realize how dangerous he had become.
Moore contorts facts, but some facts are undeniable, and you are just like Moore to try to re-write history to suit your agenda.
http://www.spongobongo.com/her9989.htm
"1987 CIA and ISI back Gulbuddin Hekmatyar to begin cross border raids of Soviet Union, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. Hekmatyar was the Mujaheddin leader controlled by ISI and very close to Bin Laden and the CIA."
http://goasia.about.com/library/weekly/blwhoswhoafgh.htm
"Osama Bin Laden - A Saudi Arabian and ethnic Yemeni, Bin Laden came to Afghanistan in 1979 to fight the Soviets. The Cold War was still on, and Bin Laden had the support of America, as well as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The CIA itself provided security training for him."
Again, it really makes no difference whether we paid bin Laden himself, or the groups he was with. The fact is we supported his cause when he was fighting our enemy, the Soviet Union. (Do you think there's something wrong with this or it didn't happen???)
Did you bother to read the links in that post on the site I linked?..Are we talking about semantics, degree ,direct, indirect?..Whatever..This name calling has gone on too long...
Hey troll, I didn't bother discussing anything with leftist scum like *you*.
When you come to FR and start parroting Mike Moore's bullshit, and ADMIT TO IT, you've shown your true colors.
I know you are lying. You know you are lying. Your trolling attempt failed, and badly, because conservatives in general, and FReepers in particular, won't put up with your America hating crap.
And frankly, one of the few things more pathetic then a leftist troll like yourself is a failed leftist troll like, well, yourself.
Read something not penned by your overweight hero and you might learn something, presuming you can take time off from your Kedwards rallies. Do they pay trolls in crack also?
You've shown yourself not only to be a liar and a hardcore leftist, but a bigot to boot. And with every post you show yourself more obviously to be a fool. Mark Twain certainly had you in mind.
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