Neocons March Left

American Conservative Union Foundation ^ | 29 Sep 04 | Timothy P. Carney

[Ed Current]

"Now let me say right off: I am not pro-life."

Frum ended his paragraph with "I have thought about this issue just as hard as you have, and I'm not going to change my mind."

Mark Harrington, "Terror in the Womb: The Forgotten Victims," The Radio Activist, 11 Sept 2003. "Interestingly, more Americans were killed by abortionists on September 11 (about 4,300) than were killed by Islamic terrorists (about 3,000). Assuming 3,000 deaths among the 50,000 people who worked at the World Trade Center, about one in seventeen was killed. One in three unborn babies is killed by abortion every day. On September 11, it would have been six times safer to be a worker in the Twin Towers than it was to be a baby in her mother's womb." http://www.markharringtonlive.com/main/index.php?option=articles&task=viewarticle&artid=7&Itemid=3

"State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims (Fetal Homicide)," National Right to Life Committee, February 20, 2004 http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/Statehomicidelaws092302.html

The testimony of American Holocaust survivor, Gianna Jessen, on 20 July 2000 before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution concerning the "Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2000," says it all to those who still have a conscience:

"My name is Gianna Jessen. I would like to say thank you for the opportunity to speak today. I count it no small thing to speak the truth. I depend solely on the grace of God to do this. I am 23 years old. I was aborted and I did not die. My biological mother was 7 months pregnant when she went to Planned Parenthood in southern California and they advised her to have a late-term saline abortion.

A saline abortion is a solution of salt saline that is injected into the mothers womb. The baby then gulps the solution, it burns the baby inside and out and then the mother is to deliver a dead baby within 24 hours.

This happened to me! I remained in the solution for approximately 18 hours and was delivered ALIVE on April 6, 1977 at 6:00 am in a California abortion clinic. There were young women in the room who had already been given their injections and were waiting to deliver dead babies. When they saw me they experienced the horror of murder. A nurse called an ambulance, while the abortionist was not yet on duty, and had me transferred to the hospital. I weighed a mere two pounds. I was saved by the sheer power of Jesus Christ.

Ladies and gentleman I should be blind, burned.....I should be dead! And yet, I live! Due to a lack of oxygen supply during the abortion I live with cerebral palsy. [...] Adolph Hitler once said: '"The receptive ability of the great masses is only very limited, their understanding is small; on the other hand their forgetfulness is great. This being so, all effective propaganda should be limited to a very few points which in turn, should be used as slogans until the very last man is able to imagine what is meant by such words.'" Today's slogans are: "'a woman's right to choose"' and "freedom of choice," etcetera." http://www.house.gov/judiciary/jess0720.htm

 

 

[Bogey78O]

Let's not forget that great clarifying moment when the Cold War forced us to fund Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan.

Nice line. Too bad it's not true.

[Gustafm1000]

All I know is I hate Bill Kristol. He was for McCain in '00 to the point of ripping on Bush constantly, has been a lukewarm supporter in Bush's first term and would jump ship in a second if it would benefit him and his worldview. I've said it before, other than Fred Barnes the Weekly Standard can eat a d***. I'll take most of the National Review writers any day of the week.

[Ed Current]

Bill Kristol. He was for INSANE McCain in '00

The same McCain that the demoncrats wanted to run with Kerry.

That about sums it up.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

"Now let me say right off: I am not pro-life."

The statement of a true dork. No genuine conservative need listen to this type of smarmy crap.

[etradervic]

This isolationist element is not representative of conservatives.

Also, the neoconservative movement started in the '60s not after 911.

[Shermy]

Not true indeed.

This writer is a character. He thinks picks out four guys and cherry picks opinions they have different than his own. One isn't pro-life? What if the others are, doesn't that ruin the basis of his argument?

Krauthammer makes arguments appealing to liberal mindsets and that makes him a traitor? This writer suffers from a sense of purity.

[swilhelm73]

Wow, the author can't even get past the first paragraph without lying...

Hussein was a Soviet ally in the 80s, not an American one.

And America never funded Osama.

Though I see the author manages to list off leftist talking point after leftist talking point.

[ImpBill]

" This writer suffers from a sense of purity."

He would fit right in, here on FR.

The Devil made me say that.

/;-)

[pissant]

the writer is a complete idiot. Just like Bill Kristol.

[ex-snook]

"The neocons--and they admit this--are hawks first, and Republicans or conservatives second. "

"Upon futher review" are hawks chickenhawks first.

And that's why I'm Conservative first.

[tame]

the 'con' in "neocon" is an abbreviation for 'con-artist', and NOT 'conservative'.

[swilhelm73]

Neocon
noun

1) Leftspeak for a Jewish conservative

2) Leftspeak for a conservative

3) Leftspeak for a conservative who isn't a useful idiot

[hlmencken3]

Could someone point me to an explanation of why "neocons" believe essentially that America is exempt from history? That Islam has somehow changed its collective mind about its repeated attempts to conquer all non-Muslims?

The USA being the leading non-Muslim country, it seems natural that jihadis would target America.

Some of these neocons seem smart. They must have answered these questions. Anyone know where?

[Remember_Salamis]

I think the PaleoCons and Buchananites dislike jews, I mean "NeoCons", as much as they dislike liberals. The fact is that there are multiple factions withing the GOP, and we have disagreements (unlike the Democratic Party). Shoot, PaleoCons are protectionists, and I don't see that completely jiving with the rest of the party. We have overlapping issue in common.

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Religious right - or some argue interchangeably, the Christian right, is an important GOP faction consisting of conservatives united on social issues, embracing traditional Judeo-Christian moral values. They are against abortion and gay marriage and favor school prayer, and interpret the establishment clause of the First Amendment as prohibiting only the official establishment of a state church, as opposed to the more secularist view that the clause requires a strict separation of church and state. (Since the 1960s, the latter interpretation has generally been favored by the Supreme Court.) Some of this faction argue that the American colonies and the United States were founded to be Christian societies, although also tolerant of other Abrahamic religions. Some estimate religious conservatives represent the largest faction of the GOP in numbers. Prominent social conservatives include Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Senator Rick Santorum.

Paleoconservatives - This group has a blue-collar, populist tinge with a strong distrust of a centralized federal government, and has heavy appeal among rural Republicans. They are conservative on social issues (e.g. support for gun deregulation) and oppose multiculturalism, but favor a protectionist economic policy and isolationist foreign policy. Many are also active against illegal immigration, or, in more extreme cases, all immigration. Prominent paleoconservatives, such as Pat Buchanan, have spoken against NAFTA and what they see as a neoconservative take-over of the party. Some with similar views are in the Democratic Party.

Neoconservatives - The term may be disputable since many alleged neoconservatives have denied the existence of such a category. Nevertheless, neoconservatives are generally regarded as the most militaristic branch of the party, in favor of an aggressive pre-emptive foreign policy. Many were once active members of the American Left, now "disillusioned" with the perceived extreme relativism and "anti-Americanism" of the 1960s protest generation. They favor unilateralism over reliance on international organizations and treaties, believing such commitments are often against America's interests. They began rising to significant influence during the Reagan administration. Those considered among the neoconservative circles include Jeane Kirkpatrick and Paul Wolfowitz.

Moderates - Moderates within the GOP are a minority within the party, most popular in the Northeast and Pacific regions of the U.S. They tend to be fiscally conservative (e.g. balanced budgets) and more progressive on social issues (e.g. supporting domestic partnerships, affirmative action, abortion rights, some gun control measures, etc.). On foreign policy, they are less militaristic than conservatives and neo-conservatives, opting for bilateral negoations and peace talks as a solution to global discord before direct military intervention. Moderate Republicans today include U.S. Senators Lincoln Chafee, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter. Members of some of the other factions sometimes characterize moderates as "Republican In Name Only".

Fiscal Conservatives - This faction overlaps with most other factions of the GOP. They are pro-business free-traders, receiving fervent support among corporations and the nation's economic elite. They favor large tax cuts, reduced domestic spending, privatization of Social Security, equal taxation, and decreased regulation of business and the environment. Prominent fiscal conservatives include the late Senator Barry Goldwater, and California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[Ed Current]

Could someone point me to an explanation of why "neocons" believe essentially that America is exempt from history? That Islam has somehow changed its collective mind about its repeated attempts to conquer all non-Muslims?
WorldNetDaily: Is Islam a religion of peace? What does President Bush think of this bashing of Islam by his Christian friends? He rejects it. "Islam is a religion of peace."

[wdkeller]

Oh yes indeed my friend, it is true. The U.S. funded Osama Bin Laden and other Afghans to run the Sovied Union out of Afghanistan.

[A. Pole]

I will take Bush over Kerry, but Kerry over Buchanan or any of the lesser Buchananites on the right.

Getting ready to jump the ship if Kerry wins?

[swilhelm73]

False as we both know.

[Agrarian]

Anyone who thinks that Kristol, Krauthammer, Bennett, and their ilk wouldn't turn with ferocity on Bush in a heartbeat were he to take a more traditional conservative Republican line vis a vis foreign wars is dreaming.

Anyone who thinks that these guys will support a real conservative in 2008 is dreaming even more. Novak's strain of conservatism is more rooted in the Republican base than is Kristol's. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work together -- we should. But enough with the attempts by neoconservatives to do Stalinist purges of those they don't agree with.