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ALAN KEYES, MR. RADIOACTIVE
Realclearpolitics.com ^ | 10-11-04

Posted on 10/11/2004 11:11:38 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: EternalVigilance
EternalVigilance wrote: Unreal. Hard to understand how so many could act in such a juvenile and suicidal fashion.

In '86 the Demmocrats nominated two LaRouchies for the posts of secretary of state and lt. governor.

The result was almost a decade and a half of Reopublican dominance.

George Ryan's corruption and now the Keyes candidacy is going to do much the same for the Democrats.

161 posted on 10/11/2004 8:21:50 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

Your equation of Alan Keyes' campaign, one in which he has faced open hostility from even members of his own party, with the corruption of Ryan, is unfair.


162 posted on 10/11/2004 8:25:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: EternalVigilance
EternalVigilance wrote: Your equation of Alan Keyes' campaign, one in which he has faced open hostility from even members of his own party, with the corruption of Ryan, is unfair.

What I'm saying is the the cumulative effect of the two is going to make the GOP uncompetative for years.

163 posted on 10/11/2004 8:28:28 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

It doesn't have to be so.

Clean out the failed leadership, rebuild the grassroots organization, raise up and empower some new leaders, and I think people will be shocked at how quickly the GOP can succeed.


164 posted on 10/11/2004 8:31:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: EternalVigilance
EternalVigilance wrote: It doesn't have to be so. Clean out the failed leadership, rebuild the grassroots organization, raise up and empower some new leaders, and I think people will be shocked at how quickly the GOP can succeed.

Downstate — even the part south of I-70 — does not have a Bible Belt mentality.

The culture war doesn't sit well with those folks.

Manzullo and the other goofs who brought Keyes into the race have done real damage to the GOP.

The Republicans have ont proven that they can govern, so they'll be on the outside looking inb for some time.

For instance, we had license plates made to last four years for sixteen years, it took a Democrat in office for us to get new plates.

Folks make judgments on little things like that.

165 posted on 10/11/2004 8:53:11 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

Obviously all Keyes' fault.

/sarcasm


166 posted on 10/11/2004 8:55:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: EternalVigilance
The fact is that Keyes brings nothing to the table which is of interest to a farmer in Ford Co. or a merchant in Macomb.

They want good government, not an out-of-stater yelling at them about stuff that doesn't amount to a pinch if manure to them.

167 posted on 10/11/2004 9:08:00 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
The fact is that Keyes brings nothing to the table which is of interest to a farmer in Ford Co. or a merchant in Macomb.

Sorry man, but you're just plain wrong.

Alan has been a property rights leader for many years.

He is an advocate for fundamental tax reform.

He brings more to the table for them over the long haul then just about anyone I can think of.

168 posted on 10/11/2004 9:31:03 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: MrLiberty; k2blader; EternalVigilance
Unbelievable. The RINO's here must feel so proud that they're spouting the same garbage the trolls are. In this race, fellow freepers have joined the liberals and I find that extremely sad.
169 posted on 10/11/2004 9:39:33 PM PDT by lara
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To: quidnunc
Great. All they're going to do is help get Obama elected. Oberweiss compared conservatives to the Taliban on Steve Dahl's show. I was glad he wasn't chosen as the nominee.
170 posted on 10/11/2004 9:51:23 PM PDT by lara
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lara wrote: Great. All they're going to do is help get Obama elected. Oberweiss compared conservatives to the Taliban on Steve Dahl's show. I was glad he wasn't chosen as the nominee.

Face it, Keyes is not going to be elected and in fact never had a ghost of a chance of being elected.

Politics is the art of the possible and Keyes was never a viable possibility.

171 posted on 10/11/2004 9:55:50 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: lara
lara wrote: Unbelievable. The RINO's here must feel so proud that they're spouting the same garbage the trolls are. In this race, fellow freepers have joined the liberals and I find that extremely sad.

I have a friend who is a die-hard Republican.

He was a member of the John Birch Society for a time back in the '60s and '70s.

Right now his yard is full of signs for Bush and other GOP candidates.

But he voted against George Ryan because he was a crook and he's voting against Keyes because he considers him to be a crackpot.

172 posted on 10/11/2004 10:08:17 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
If Keyes doesn't have a chance it's only because the media has been on Obama's side from day one. I expect that kind of thing from the liberal, biased media. Not from fellow Republicans.
173 posted on 10/11/2004 10:13:04 PM PDT by lara
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To: quidnunc
A vote against Keyes is a vote for Obama. He's not as "die-hard" as you think he is.
174 posted on 10/11/2004 10:16:08 PM PDT by lara
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To: EternalVigilance
Clean out the failed leadership, rebuild the grassroots organization, raise up and empower some new leaders, and I think people will be shocked at how quickly the GOP can succeed

Not if led by people who think that leach Keyes is the new Messiah, the great savior of the Illinois Republican Party, the grand poobah of "Conservatism". Lesson 101 of politics is that you have to win to change policies. Keyes is a "feel good" candidate. All he does is make the extreme nut cases feel good that they have someone speaking for them. Little do they know they only represent 17% of the state. Wouldnt that be something if a write in of Oberweiss exceeded Keyes actually vote total. LOL

175 posted on 10/11/2004 10:16:52 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S

I will restrain myself from saying what I really think of you for deposting that steaming pile here on a thread at Free Republic.


176 posted on 10/11/2004 10:21:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: EternalVigilance
Alan has been a property rights leader for many years. He is an advocate for fundamental tax reform. He brings more to the table for them over the long haul then just about anyone I can think of.

Then why doesnt the goof ball talk about those topics instead of getting sidelined into gaybashing, abortion, and racial reparations. The cultural conservatives are already going to vote for him whether he mentions those topics or not (wink wink) and racial reparations are not going to buy him a single vote. Those that would be interested reparations are already going to vote for Obama.

Obamas speech at the Dem convention was to position him as this great moderate. Keyes has done more to make Obama look moderate than anything that Obama himself could ever do.

177 posted on 10/11/2004 10:23:15 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S

He has talked about all those issues in great depth; far greater depth than most all other candidates ever do. But the Dems, the media and the RINOs ignore it...just like you do.

And unfortunately, to date, too many Illinoisans have listened to you all instead of to him.


178 posted on 10/11/2004 10:27:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: lara
If Keyes doesn't have a chance it's only because the media has been on Obama's side from day one.

No, its because of everything that proceeds from Keyes mouth. If the media reported everything that Keyes did and said and was completely unbiased, Keyes would still find a way to turn out more than 75% of the electorate. The American people can generally detect kooks by just listening to what the candidates do and say.

179 posted on 10/11/2004 10:28:12 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: EternalVigilance
I will restrain myself from saying what I really think of you for deposting that steaming pile here on a thread at Free Republic.

Good, then you wont embarass yourself the way Keyes has the people of Illinois.

180 posted on 10/11/2004 10:29:35 PM PDT by Dave S
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