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Seditious Behavior (What kind of discharge did John F Kerry get? Inquiring minds want to know)
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | October 10, 2004 | 'Dateline D.C.'

Posted on 10/09/2004 10:40:49 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: JSteff
From the article:

Speculations are rife, from his Purple Hearts, to criteria about his medals, and why Kerry did not receive an honorable discharge until March 2001,

Upon further scrutiny, it looks like a moot point. Bill was already gone when the HD came through.

41 posted on 10/09/2004 11:38:47 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: libs_kma
dishonorable discharge is the polar opposite of "war hero"...and johnny boy told us he was a war hero... things that make you go 'kewl'....

It makes me downright tingly inside. ;-)

42 posted on 10/09/2004 11:40:43 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: quidnunc
Unlike President George W. Bush, former Vice President Al Gore and most candidates for office, Kerry refuses to allow the Pentagon to release his military records. Speculations are rife, from his Purple Hearts, to criteria about his medals, and why Kerry did not receive an honorable discharge until March 2001, nearly 30 years after his service ended on July 1, 1972. No explanation has been offered. Informed guys in the Pentagon believe Kerry originally was discharged in the 1970s with a "general" discharge and used his pro-Clinton votes during the impeachment of Boy Bill to apply political pressure for an upgrade.

With all due respect to this reporter, he really needs to be more careful with his research.

Kerry was NOT Honorably Discharged in 2001.

The only document with a 2001 date is a DD-215 that he used to "correct" two campaign stars on his Vietnam Service Medal to four campaign stars. It turns out that Karry was only entitled to the original two.

Kerry was Honorably Discharged on 16 February 1978 during the Carter Administration.

That still leaves open the question as to why such a late discharge since Kerry's obligated service, including service in the Ready Reserve and Inactive Standby Reserve would have been completed in 1972.

Although this reporter flat out blows it with his "Kerry was Honorably Discharged in 2001" blooper, it is very plausible that Kerry may have upgraded a General Discharge in the early 1970's during the Carter Amnesty program.

That may be why the Kerry campaign has tried to hard to deceive the news media into believing that Kerry was Honorably Discharged in 1970 and that Kerry was Honorably Discharged prior to his Vietnam veterans Against the War activities.

Kerry Deceives News Media About His Navy Discharge on JohnKerry.com

43 posted on 10/09/2004 11:41:08 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: quidnunc; Mr. Mojo
WoW. Excellent report. If this hits MSM it will sink Kerry. Immediately!!
44 posted on 10/09/2004 11:41:44 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: Jet Jaguar

Pittsburgh Tribune Review is owned by Mellon-Schaif. Conservative. Currently they are one of many after the estate records of the late Senator John Heinz III. THK wants them kept sealed.

I'd like to know about Kerry's divorce.


45 posted on 10/09/2004 11:41:56 PM PDT by mombrown1
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To: mombrown1

It was not a divorce. He got an annulment after 18? years of marriage. I cannot see how anyone can get an annulment after being married that long.


46 posted on 10/09/2004 11:44:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Nita Nupress
Upon further scrutiny, it looks like a moot point. Bill was already gone when the HD came through.

See my Post 43.

The 2001 date is just sloppy research by this reporter.

Kerry's Honorable Discharge was on 16 February 1978......During the Carter Administration.....Six years AFTER he would have been eligible for one.

47 posted on 10/09/2004 11:46:05 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Jet Jaguar

Guess that makes his daughters bastards.


48 posted on 10/09/2004 11:47:11 PM PDT by mombrown1
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To: smoothsailing

My first hitch was Nov 1976 to Feb 1981. I got my first honorable discharge Nov 1982. I think that any discharge delayed beyond the six year commitment is probably not routine and is suspicious.


49 posted on 10/09/2004 11:47:43 PM PDT by jospehm20
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"and why Kerry did not receive an honorable discharge until March 2001, nearly 30 years after his service ended on July 1, 1972.


And this was under Bush's watch?"



There a corrected DD Form 215 made on March 12, 2001 on John Forbes Kerry?

Not the same as the discharge date?

See PDF link below.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD-215_Correction.pdf


50 posted on 10/09/2004 11:49:42 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (GET OUT THE VOTE NOV 2 ! IF YOUR NEIGHBORS OR RELATIVES NEED A RIDE TO THE POLLS OFFER TO HELP)
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To: mombrown1

No comment. LOL!


51 posted on 10/09/2004 11:50:25 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Nita Nupress

Consider this, wouldn't post-dating this document be to Kerry's advantage? The approval to upgrade would have been granted late in the Clinton administration-his last night in the Whitehouse was spent inking pardons. Finally, how long does it take for a "under the radar" administrative action take to move through the in-baskets at the Pentagon? Official orders for PCS are often 2-3 months in the making. The reserve community of the military (specifically navy) are even slower than the active forces in moving "routine" paperwork.

If it happened (I believe the odds are overwhelming; he won't release his records, he has been caught on 2 of 3 purple hearts, and the "V" for valor on his "Silver Star" etc. etc.), the records will come out. Even if Bush has no part in it, and I truly believe Bush will not have any involvement, there are enough people willing to act on their own within DoD to expose the real record of Senator John F. Kerry.

Wait and see.


52 posted on 10/09/2004 11:51:49 PM PDT by CalmCorrectConservPatriotCCCP (Tragically, it is what it is)
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To: Polybius; Jet Jaguar

I agree with your post.

I've been looking up data while you posted your summary.

Have reached the same conclusion.


53 posted on 10/09/2004 11:53:24 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (GET OUT THE VOTE NOV 2 ! IF YOUR NEIGHBORS OR RELATIVES NEED A RIDE TO THE POLLS OFFER TO HELP)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

Signed by Dena M. Martin, GS-12.

2001 0312 That's March 12 2001.


54 posted on 10/09/2004 11:58:13 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Two thoughts occur to me:

1. If Kerry did receive a general discharge it may have been because he didn't fulfill his military committment.

2. This could explain why '60 Minutes' and the AP have beren so dogged in their attempts to get evidence that Bush didn't fulfill his TANG committment.

55 posted on 10/10/2004 12:18:52 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: CalmCorrectConservPatriotCCCP
See #43 by Polybius. The HD dates were wrong.

Thanks, Polybius. Good documentation.

(ahem..) Upon further reflection, I have concluded that Bill could not possibly have been involved in this. In February 1978, he was in Arkansas getting prepared to rape Juanita Broaddrick.

During a campaign stop at her Van Buren facility, she said, Clinton talked with her and invited her to visit his campaign office in Little Rock. Broaddrick, then 35, agreed to do so a week later, on April 25, while in the capital with a friend for a conference sponsored by the American College of Nursing Home Administrators. "We were very excited," she said. "We were going to pick up all that neat stuff, T-shirts, buttons." Another Clinton Accuser Goes Public)

56 posted on 10/10/2004 12:19:59 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Polybius

ping to previous post


57 posted on 10/10/2004 12:20:38 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: quidnunc
Speculations are rife, from his Purple Hearts, to criteria about his medals, and why Kerry did not receive an honorable discharge until March 2001, nearly 30 years after his service ended on July 1, 1972. No explanation has been offered.

I'll tell you why: BECAUSE NO ONE IN THE MAINSTREAM OF THE BATTLE IS DEMANDING AN EXPLANATION. Not the Prez, not debate moderators, not the media... NO one.

58 posted on 10/10/2004 12:21:56 AM PDT by Mockingbird For Short ("An irreligious fanatic is just as dangerous as a religious fanatic.")
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You can probably leave the tin foil hat in the closet and conclude that President Bush has to keep the high road on something like this.

He and Dick Cheney are on record several times as saying Lurch served honorably. Nothing wrong with that.

But if it comes out somewhere else like maybe our good friends Billie and Hillie (I can't say that without a scowl), well then it's just tough crapola on JF'nK (ok, maybe I did get the hat out just for a second).

But seriously, there is something in that record that Lurch doesn't want to be seen...and this explains the dates better than anything else thats been speculated to this point.
59 posted on 10/10/2004 12:32:19 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: PowerPro
why then can't the same thing be done to John "I have 3 Purple Hearts" Kerry? President Bush did the honorable thing and signed form 180, which voluntarily waves his right to privacy and authorizes the release of those military records, because he has nothing to hide or be ashamed of. Sen. sKerry, on the other hand, has NOT done that and refuses to do that for reasons yet unknown. I remember Rush talking about this a few weeks back. If anyone has more specific information, please share.
60 posted on 10/10/2004 12:34:52 AM PDT by Sulsa
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