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Terror-99 (Russian Reporters/Former FSB Agents Accuse FSB of Russian Apartment Bombings)
Terror-99 ^ | Grani.ru website

Posted on 10/09/2004 6:04:14 PM PDT by FearGodNotMen

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There were many links embedded in the article above that were lost when I posted the article. See original article for links. For those interested, you may also want to check out a related article on the following website:

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/question_putin.htm

To read about a separate but related incident, here is a translated letter from Svetlana Gubareva to President of Kazakhstan. Svetlana was one of the Moscow Theater hostages who accuses the FSB of possible complicity in what ultimately led to the gassing-deaths of 129 hostages--including Svetlana's family:

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To: President of the Republic of Kazakhstan Mr. N. A. Nazarbaev From: RK Citizen Svetlana Nikolaevna Gubareva

Honored Nursultan Abishevich,

On October 23-26 of 2002 I and my family were among the hostage audience at the musical "Northeast" in the Moscow theater at Dubrovka. As a result of an action by Russian special services my family perished. It is awful to fall asleep, holding a live and healthy daughter by her hand, and to come to when your child is already dead.

I am extremely thankful to all of our embassy employees in Moscow who helped me and supported me with their attention and sympathy.

Many correct words at the time were expressed about support and help for those suffering from the terror act, about the necessity of fighting terrorism. But what has really occurred?

For over two months I lay in Moscow city hospitals. The firm for which I worked paid sick leave from the tenth lowest calculated level (noticeably lower than my average monthly pay) - not as if it the damage to my health were due to forces outside my control, but as if I had negligently gotten my feet wet and became ill.

Upon finding out that we were among the hostages, my sister R.N. Ishchenko flew to Moscow on October 26th, 2002. At first the city administration of Karaganda promised to pay for her trip. Returning after the funeral of my daugher Aleksandra Letyago, my sister went to the city Akimat for the promised help. A bureaucrat there refused to pay, since she was not a close relative such as my mother - though both my parents died about ten years ago. In answer to her question regarding the help which you, Nursultan Abishevich, promised to me as a former hostage, she was told that all which was possible had already been done by the Kazakhstan embassy in Moscow, and that it was now Russia's turn.

My offical request for help from Mr. G.M. Prezent, managing director of OJSC Ispat Karmet, to whose office I presented myself in person, has still received no reply.

An investigation carried out by Kazakhstan secret services led to eavesdropping on my telephone conversations and an inquiry into my past. Employees of Kazakhstan intelligence went to my neighbors, asking about my moral state, comparing me to a kind of prostitute or terrorist.

I went to the Kazakhstan ministry of foreign affairs with questions about this investigation, but I was sent from office to office until in the end they recommended that I make an inquiry with the government of Russia in Moscow.

I have tried to return to work, but due to my physical and psychological condition I had to resign.

While investigating the terror act at Dubrovka, the Russian government has not even tried to maintain a semblance of law. There is obvious criminal negligence by the Russian special forces, who were guilty in allowing the seizure of the hostages in the first place, and negligent in organizing their liberation - especially their evacuation and first aid. Even after more than a year, this negligence has yet to be brought before a criminal court.

They took away my daughter's primary right - her right to live, and took from me my purpose in life, my happiness, my health, and my hope for a happy old age. My Sasha died on the territory of a neighboring government, not from terrorists' bullets or from an explosion, but from the actions of chemical weapons which were used by the Russian special forces during the storming of the theater.

How could it happen, that the special forces of Russia, in the middle of their own capital, could let terrorists into the theater? Who were the organizers of this terror act, and who financed it? Why was the decision made by the Russian authorities to use gas and storm the theater at the very moment that there was a real chance for freeing the hostages by negotiation? How legal was the usage of narcotic drugs in this situation?

Why were the victims' causes of death on the death certificates listed as an "aggregate of factors", such as dehydration (a crude lie!), lack of food, stress, serious chronic illnesses, and "long-term uncomfortable positioning", while the "special drug" was not seriously examined as a cause of injury ("it has but a moderate connection with the cause of death"), and haven no experts been allowed to examine the data on its presence in the victims?

Of what gas "safety" does Mr. V.V. Putin speak, when in the opinion specialists the usage of the pharmacologicals in this gas leads to disturbances of liver, kidney, and lung functions, as well as chemical hepatopathy and a great probability of death if an antidote is not quickly used?

Why was there no medical aid made ready for the victims before the special operation, which led to the deaths of 130 people? Why were all the terrorists - who could have given information on the organization of the terror act - killed without exception, and not simply arrested and held for investigation?

Why did not a single terrorist set off a bomb, despite the fact that the action of the sleep gas took longer than ten minutes? Were there even any explosives in the theater?

Why did the Russian powers hide the fact that also taking part in the seizure of the theater was one Khanpash Terkibaev - an agent of the Russian FSB, and who afterwards supposedly died in an automobile accident? These are but a few of the questions to which I would like the right to receive answers.

On July 16th of this year my daughter would have been fifteen, but SHE WILL ALWAYS BE THIRTEEN. Who is at fault? Who is responsible? Will the Republic of Kazakhstan take some actions because of the death of Citizen Aleksandra Letyago? Will my government protect my rights and interests?

Svetlana Gubareva, citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan, former hostage

English Link:

http://www.geocities.com/struwwellpeter/letter2.htm

Russian Link:

http://www.nv.karagandy.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2032&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

1 posted on 10/09/2004 6:04:14 PM PDT by FearGodNotMen
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Ping!


2 posted on 10/09/2004 6:05:28 PM PDT by FearGodNotMen
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To: struwwelpeter

Thoughts on Svetlana's letter?

(Was there a similar outpouring of rubels in the wake of the Moscow Theatre incident so poorly handled, as it turned out, by the FSB?)


3 posted on 10/09/2004 6:11:22 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5

Here comes the tinfoil hat brigade.


4 posted on 10/09/2004 6:26:16 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

=== Here comes the tinfoil hat brigade.


Who me?

Or those who believe that it's ridiculous even to entertain this line of thinking just because terror, including the bombing of one's own police stations and such was such an instrumental facet of militant atheist communism that Trotsky, Lenin, et al. couldn't help but repeat ad infinitum: THE REVOLUTION MAKES NO SENSE WITHOUT TERROR.

What a difference a day makes, eh? Who knew that the "former Soviets" would be the ones to show the world how extraordinarily easy it is to break bad habits overnight and never return, like a dog, to their vomit.


5 posted on 10/09/2004 6:35:20 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5

So you've settled your mind on it then hm?
Do you think the Russians did Belsan, the theater, the subway, and those two planes as well? Did Russia somehow fake the invasion of Daegestan from Chechnya by Baseyev, which killed over 1000 Russians? I'd compare the whole line of speculation with dog vomit. It's about as absurd as those who say Israel did 9/11.

I guess the only interesting aspect of the discussion, is what mentality predisposes you to believe in such talk. Why is the theory so appealing to you? It fills some gap somehow? If the theory didn't exist, would you have to make it up? You talk about the theory as if it must be true -- how shocked would you be to find out that it is totally unfounded and bogus?


6 posted on 10/09/2004 6:55:51 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

=== Did Russia somehow fake the invasion of Daegestan from Chechnya by Baseyev, which killed over 1000 Russians?


Oh, the "conversion" of Dudayev, perhaps. But that didn't take as well as they thought else we'd never have been brought in to "help" make sure he was offed once his usefulness (or hypnotic willingness to serve as not-so-sincere agent of the revolution) was over.

I think those who -- like you -- base the fact that less than 1% of Americans feel any guilt for the deaths inflicted before World War II by German camps or German and Austrian physicians (as part of the Good Death push to cleanse the nation of defectives) or the forced repatriation of White Russians and packing off of millions of Poles and other dysgenics AFTER the War on anything but RANK AMERICAN IGNORANCE of the facts regarding our complicity and the hand-in-glove operation of the media and government to bend reality is really not well-positioned to argue what is and is not possible or likely where concerns Continuing strategies and means deployed by the Usual Suspects.

Give the blades of your beanie a spin for me and tighten those chin straps with pride, Mount Athos. I have no time to waste with the likes of you.


7 posted on 10/09/2004 7:07:35 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5

Dude, did you forget your medication? You are angrily ranting in all caps about Poles and forced repatriation of White Russians -- what does that have to do with anything? No one is talking about these subjects, hello? Get well soon. Oh well, if you come up with any other entertaining conspiracy theories feel free to post.


8 posted on 10/09/2004 7:22:35 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

=== Oh well, if you come up with any other entertaining conspiracy theories feel free to post.


Those aren't "conspiracy theories," they are cold, hard facts.

Facts which too often are overlooked in favor of Hollywood-produced mini-series and feature films from which most Americans learn their history these days.

Americans like you, it seems ... assuming you are American.

If you wish me to take you seriously, try an opening gambit other than "here comes the tinfoil hat brigade" and see if you can't come up with a fact or two to buttress your more faithbased convictions.


9 posted on 10/09/2004 7:35:35 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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Ping

This is one report, that I want to know a lot more about.


10 posted on 10/09/2004 7:48:58 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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To: Mount Athos
Between the Chechen Islamists and Putin, we're seeing a repeat on a smaller scale of WWII's Eastern Front. A fight where both sides are the bad guys.

The apartment bombings have always stuck out as different in the list of Chechen atrocities. They were so successful, they occurred at the right moment for Putin to consolidate power, and they haven't been repeated. Why not? If you're the Chechens, wouldn't it make more sense to continue with apartment bombings that kill hundreds of Russians without any Chechen casualties? The theater and Beslan operations cost the Chechens dozens of operatives. I know that the Islamists are obsessed with martyrdom, but wouldn't it help their cause more to keep on killing Russians without losing their own people? Saving them for other fights in Chechnya itself? Of course, one can never underestimate the stupidity of Islamists.

And it's not surprising that many Russians are suspicious at times of Putin. His first reaction to Beslan was to consolidate his power over other Russians, not to hit the Chechens harder. Sort of what the Democrats always erroneously accuse Ashcroft of doing with the Patriot Act.

11 posted on 10/09/2004 8:05:45 PM PDT by LenS
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To: Askel5

Ms. Gubareva says she and the other Dubrovka hostages didn't get squat:

Well, in November of 2002 a representative of the industrialist and business union, Mr. Vol'skiy made the official declaration that they would provide for all those who suffered at Northeast. They had a list, and they calculated how much money, 50 thousand (rubles) for everyone who died, 25 thousand for being a hostage, but it all turned out to be a lie. I called and asked about the money, and they expressed their sympathy and at first acknowledged: "Yes, yes, come on over". But later, "Oh, sorry, we don't have enough money, we're going to give only to orphans." I have an acquaitance whose husband died, and is left with two children. She called over there and they also told her: "No, no, we don't have any money, and we can't pay you either". In the end they started in February to pay just those living in Moscow, but there wasn't enough money for everyone. Dasha Frolova's mother, for example, didn't get a thing.

12 posted on 10/09/2004 8:43:28 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Askel5

"Here comes the tinfoil hat brigade."

Why do the "Putin for Dictator" crowd, always start out talking like Mount Athos?


13 posted on 10/10/2004 9:59:39 AM PDT by FearGodNotMen
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To: nw_arizona_granny

"Just read through the thread, and it is quite stunning how Putin has reached the status of a saint....What is also interesting is that so many want to put a Christian frame around Putin."

Spread the word! This is definately a discussion the definately needs to happen here in the US. And if you find any related material, please post it and then ping me. Thanks--FearGodNotMen!


14 posted on 10/10/2004 10:12:55 AM PDT by FearGodNotMen
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To: struwwelpeter; judywillow; MarMema; manx; Destro; Askel5; Just mythoughts

I am starting to realize why the "Putin for Dictator" crowd is so passionate. Most of them are linked to the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC). According to ROC doctrine, the Czar is supposed to head the Church. As such, all true ROC members, both inside and outside Russia, long for a return of the Czar. Then it should come as no surprise that these same people want to imput Czar-like qualities to Putin. Putin, for his part, is playing these unsuspecting ROC believers like a finely tuned fiddle. End Result?...Putin can do no wrong.

Message to ROC members...Putin is not the Czar.


15 posted on 10/10/2004 10:29:06 AM PDT by FearGodNotMen
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To: FearGodNotMen

The CIA carried out 9/11 as well......


16 posted on 10/10/2004 11:46:59 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

"The CIA carried out 9/11 as well......"


Actually wasn't it the "wallbuilders" that prevented the CIA from crying out the alarm?????


17 posted on 10/10/2004 11:57:31 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Destro

"The CIA carried out 9/11 as well......"

Destro, if you're going to make an assassinine statement like that, you sure better be able to back it up! This my country you're talking about. Go back to Russia.


18 posted on 10/10/2004 12:57:27 PM PDT by FearGodNotMen
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To: Askel5

"Give the blades of your beanie a spin for me and tighten those chin straps with pride, Mount Athos. I have no time to waste with the likes of you."

Mega-dittos!


19 posted on 10/10/2004 1:00:18 PM PDT by FearGodNotMen
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To: FearGodNotMen

This post is a a tin foil one on the same level as saying that the "The CIA carried out 9/11 as well......"


20 posted on 10/10/2004 1:11:25 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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