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Holt campaigns on single issue: gay marriage
Baxter Bulletin ^ | October 9, 2004 | JAMES JEFFERSON

Posted on 10/09/2004 3:27:15 PM PDT by sweetliberty

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It is interesting to note that he is really putting emphasis on the queer marriage issue in areas densely populated with blacks, such as Helena. This could be the one issue that would loosen the grip of the RATs on black voters. Most that I have talked to are very against it, and these folks are predominantly Christian people. If Jim can cut a slice of the black democRAT loyalists from the herd over this issue, he could win. He's beat the odds in every race he's entered. He has a solid following in the northern half of the state.
1 posted on 10/09/2004 3:27:16 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Happy2BMe; 1tin_soldier; Ahban; Amazed1953; AmericanHeroes.com; Amoz; Arkansas Banana Republican; ..
Arkansas ping!

Anybody who wants on or off of the Arkansas ping list, let me know.

2 posted on 10/09/2004 3:30:54 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Proud member of the Pajama Posse!)
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To: Happy2BMe; 1tin_soldier; Ahban; Amazed1953; AmericanHeroes.com; Amoz; Arkansas Banana Republican; ..
Jim's website

I hope FReepers will all support Jim's campaign!

3 posted on 10/09/2004 3:34:54 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Proud member of the Pajama Posse!)
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To: sweetliberty

This race'll problem tighten more -- SurveyUSA had it at 14 points -- and it's my longshot upset pick, but it's still tough to get those last couple percent.


4 posted on 10/09/2004 3:41:19 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("Jim, you've got to do in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test" - JFnK)
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To: sweetliberty

For anyone who has heard Jim talk - and I'm sure at the event listed in this article, Jim talks about a lot of things. The fact is, any good politician will target his message to the audience. But Holt is not a "one-issue" candidate.


5 posted on 10/09/2004 3:45:28 PM PDT by TheBattman (Islam - the cult of Satan - The DemocRAT Party= Acolytes of SATAN)
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To: TheBattman

No, he certainly isn't a single issue candidate. It's just that he realizes the implications of this particular issue. He also realizes that it is an issue that can separate the sheep from the goats, and nowhere is this more true than among the blacks in diehard RAT districts.


6 posted on 10/09/2004 3:51:57 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Proud member of the Pajama Posse!)
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To: TheBattman

I certainly hope not. I'm a religious conservative, but not everybody is, even in Arkansas. Louisiana and Arkansas still have a taste for Dems, as the defeat of Hutchinson and the reelection of Landrieu proves. You've got to field serious candidates, esp to defeat incumbents. I hope Holt is one such individual.....


7 posted on 10/09/2004 3:52:46 PM PDT by Malcolm (used to like FReep, now I could not care less)
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To: sweetliberty
I think one point that needs to be driven home on the "gay marriage" issue is that while on many issues it is best to wait for a problem to manifest itself before being so drastic as to pass a constitutional amendment, such a delay here would complicate things as it would require retroactively revoking "marriages" that have already been formed and recognized.

I would posit that the next time such an amendment is intruduced, it might not be a bad idea to include a provision explicitly allowing states to continue to grant some recognition to "marriages" performed before the amendment's ratification without having to either grant full recognition to such marriages or recognize ones performed after its ratification. Although I would expect such marriages would, for a time, pose problems, I would expect that with time the number of such marriages still in existence would decrease sufficiently to become a relative non-issue.

8 posted on 10/09/2004 3:54:43 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: Malcolm

I have heard Jim Holt speak and was impressed with his ability to articulate specific issues of concern to Arkansans. He is energetic, positive, and smart. I think his wife is an asset also and very supportive of his campaign. Arkansas would benefit from his election to the senate in many ways, not the least of which would be that once again we would have senatorial access to the White House. Jim Hold can provide another conservative voice for Arkansas at the national level and be a loyal supporter of Pres Bush that he can count on. We have supported him financially and have a big HOLT sign next to our US flag. Holt is a good man and our prayers are with him for success in his senate campaign to defeat his liberal opponent, Blanche Lincoln.


9 posted on 10/09/2004 4:21:34 PM PDT by mountainfolk (God bless President George Bush)
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Well, there are still a few republicans who remember when our party was concerned about lessening government control over our lives. Of all the issues facing our country, this one ranks right up there with flag burning and school prayer for fatuous time-wasting grandstanding. To me it is a simple 14th amendment equal protection issue: if the state recognizes a civil contract between two unrelated people for tax and property purposes, who cares what sex they are?
10 posted on 10/09/2004 4:26:41 PM PDT by cottonboll
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Well, there are still a few republicans who remember when our party was concerned about lessening government control over our lives. Of all the issues facing our country, this one ranks right up there with flag burning and school prayer for fatuous time-wasting grandstanding. To me it is a simple 14th amendment equal protection issue: if the state recognizes a civil contract between two unrelated people for tax and property purposes, who cares what sex they are?

The difficulty comes with the fact that if same-sex couples can claim that they are "married", they will almost certainly be able to use this claim to force private companies and private/state/local institutions to treat them as any other married couple. This is the overt intention of some of the groups pushing for "gay marriage"; the threat is hardly imaginary.

One of the things that makes any society strong is the notion of "kin"--a set of people with whom one has a blood relationship which is irrevokable. There is a set of people whom you will help out in time of need because you are related to them. Although you may decide to stop supporting a brother because you don't think enabling his bad behavior will help him until he solves his problems on his own, he would still always continue to be your brother.

If a married man and woman adopt a child, they become the baby's mother and father. Although not biologically related, the child's place in the family is no different from a biological child of those parents. The mother's sister is still che child's aunt, and the aunt's child is still the child's cousin. As far as anyone is concerned, the married couple are the child's legitimate mother and father.

One of the key factors that distinguishes a legitimate child from a bastard is having an identifiable mother (biological or otherwise) and an identifiable father. Even if a mother or father is no longer living or no longer with the child, the identity of that person forms a key part of the child's identity. A child adopted by two women will be fatherless, and a child adopted by two men will be motherless. How can such adoption--except in cases where the child has acknowledged and continues to acknowledge his parents (e.g. a twelve-year-old who gets orphaned and is adopted by his uncle--who continues to be his uncle and not his father) not create bastards?

12 posted on 10/09/2004 5:34:13 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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Good questions. Based on my only other post to this forum I feared another set of angry rants. I will think about what you said.


13 posted on 10/09/2004 5:40:53 PM PDT by cottonboll
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Good questions. Based on my only other post to this forum I feared another set of angry rants. I will think about what you said.

Liberals like to portray anyone who opposes "gay marriage" as a gay-bashing thug, but the reality is that I couldn't care less what people do in private but these people are seeking government power to do things which I, and many Americans, oppose.

One thing I think I should make clear, at least regarding my own opinions, is that I do not see homosexuality as being an absolute 100% disqualifying factor for adoption, but I do see it as being a major negative. They way I would put it, a child who does not have a married mother and father will be at a substantial disadvantage compared to one who does. Sometimes a child may be forced to endure such disadvantages due to factors beyond anyone's control, but I see no reason for anyone to deliberately impose them upon a child.

There are times when I think a gay adoption may be the best thing for a child. If a child's parents are killed and the only relative who is willing and able to take the child is an uncle who happens to be living with a gay partner, I would think that being adopted by that uncle may be preferable to being adopted by strangers. Even if the child would no longer be able to meet Mom and Dad, the child would still know who they were, and who the other relatives were.

Generally, however, I would say that except when kinship demands otherwise, married couples should get 'first dibs' on adoptive children. Unfortunately, FWIU, too many adoption agencies seek to promote "diversity" by giving away babies to everything but traditional married couples.

14 posted on 10/09/2004 6:23:00 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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{he is really putting emphasis on the queer marriage issue in areas densely populated with blacks, such as Helena. This could be the one issue that would loosen the grip of the RATs on black voters.]

Glad to hear Holt do that. The RNC has for the most part written the AR Senate race off when Mike Huckabee and Asa Hutchinson expressed no interest in challenging Blanche Lincoln. However Holt's campaign need not be in vain. In order to win more minorities in the GOP, conservatives must engage minority individuals in friendly dialog. As an Asian immigrant who went through the government school system, I was told that the Democrats look out for the well being of People of Color. Thus in my youth, I leaned toward the Democrats. However, it was the RATS intolerance for opposing views on abortion is what drove me to the Republicans.
15 posted on 10/09/2004 6:57:25 PM PDT by Kuksool (Get Your Souls To The Polls In November)
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Sounds like our semi-Republican answer to Ed Case (who took over for Patsy Mink when she was EWD [elected while dead]) in Hawaii. Some really strange guy otherwise but who is really passionate on the gay marriage issue.


16 posted on 10/09/2004 6:59:49 PM PDT by Spyder
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Lincoln has repeatedly maintained that she believes marriage should be between one man and one woman. Lincoln spokesman Drew Goesl said that the senator believes the legal definition of marriage should be left up to each state as it historically has been.

Sounds good...until you realize that states which don't agree with gay marriage will be forced to recognize such 'marriages' performed in states which allow it.
17 posted on 10/09/2004 7:05:55 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch; sweetliberty

You got it Fruminous- and Jim Holt says it at about every stop, but the press never seems to get around to reporting it.

Lincoln is being deceptive when she claims she is for marriage because she "supports" the state amendment but opposes the federal. She knows very well that all state amendments will be no protection at all when the federal courts throw them out.

We must have a federal amendment to keep the courts from shoving homosexual "marriage" down America's throat. Lincoln knows it, Holt says it, but the papers won't print that simple statement regardless of how often Holt repeats it. They make it seem like he is making a big deal over nothing, since slippery Lincoln "supports" the state amendment.


18 posted on 10/09/2004 8:50:58 PM PDT by Ahban
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Too right. His website talks about more substance than Lincoln's. So does he. The press pretends it is all he talks about because they want people to write him off. Check their websites. Jim Holt has by far the most depth on issues.


19 posted on 10/09/2004 8:52:44 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: Ahban

Maybe Jim Holt should be on TV to get more recognization and substance to the voters of Arkansas. Or perhaps get George W. Bush to help him out before it is too late.


20 posted on 10/10/2004 3:28:15 PM PDT by GOPXtreme20
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