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Frat Brothers Scrawled Slurs On Dying Pledge (Why Fraternities Should Be Banned)
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| October 08, 2004
| Any Herdy and George Merritt
Posted on 10/08/2004 2:46:06 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
Hello,
How incredibly sad for his family.
Glad to be here (despite the subject), MOgirl
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posted on
10/08/2004 2:57:55 PM PDT
by
MOgirl
(In memory of Walton Wayne Callahan, I love you forever.)
To: O.C. - Old Cracker
Death by alcohol poisoning don't require fraternities. They require idiots, and the abundant supply of these on any campus accounts for the regular reports of such deaths, whether a frat is involved or not.
And was these idiots requiring 18-year-olds to drink? (What's the drinking age in Colorado?) Hopefully, by the time my children are this age, I'll have raised them right enough to tell anyone who tells them such a thing to #*&@*#&% off.
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posted on
10/08/2004 2:58:03 PM PDT
by
atomicpossum
(If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
To: leadpenny
Agreed, but you won't convince the libertines of that. They love their partying, no matter the cost. Fraternities are for the punks, and the military is better off without them.
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posted on
10/08/2004 2:58:06 PM PDT
by
O.C. - Old Cracker
(When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
To: O.C. - Old Cracker
Sorry, but this is an adult male who chose, by his volition, to ingest a lethal dose of alcohol.
He's old enough to serve in the Army, he should be old enough to resist the suicidal suggestions of others.
To: Drango
There are zillions of pictures all over the net of kids that got decorated after passing out drunk. Nobody even thinks that someone can die from it.
Sadly, each year, some kids are going to die from alcohol poisoning. Some are going to get killed in car accidents. Some are going to die from undiagnosed illnesses.
There is a whole website devoted to drunk college kids:
www.drunk-as-hell.com
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posted on
10/08/2004 2:58:31 PM PDT
by
Bon mots
To: Rocky Mountain High
The best friends I have are my old fraternity brothers. I'm a proud alumni.Cool. Which frat?
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posted on
10/08/2004 2:58:47 PM PDT
by
rdb3
(How much are the Muslims paying Pat Buchanan?)
To: sinkspur
Then he wouldn't be in the fraternity, would he? Criminalize hazing. That'll put a stop to it. Wouldn't it be simpler to criminalize stupidity?
To: sinkspur
Texas criminalized certain kinds of hazing (all kinds involving alcohol), and, voila, we've had none of these deaths in the last two years.
It was a very near thing with the SMU water intoxication incident late last year.
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:00:23 PM PDT
by
Rastus
(Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
To: O.C. - Old Cracker
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:00:51 PM PDT
by
Charlespg
(Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
To: sinkspur
Texas criminalized certain kinds of hazing (all kinds involving alcohol), and, voila, we've had none of these deaths in the last two years. True, but what happened to Alpha Phi Alpha at SMU a year or so ago where they forced a pledge to nearly drink himself to death?
Did I mention that the drink was water?
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:01:05 PM PDT
by
rdb3
(How much are the Muslims paying Pat Buchanan?)
To: sinkspur
as well as against those adults in charge of this fraternity No adult seemed to be in charge of mu Fraternity. We drank. We drank too much. So did non greeks... And we pushed the envelope of drinking. A crime? Perhaps, but I think it was youth.
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:01:09 PM PDT
by
Drango
(NPR-When government funds a "news" outlet that has a bias...it's no longer news...it's propaganda.)
To: O.C. - Old Cracker
Beeson said Wednesday that the fraternity's investigation determined that the drinking trip to the woods was not an initiation ritual, as police have called it. Beeson said it was an "initial function" for the pledges.What a cop out. I guess they're trying to avoid criminal penalities for hazing.
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:01:33 PM PDT
by
scan59
To: Xenalyte
Exactly. This pledge was expected to find creative ways to pour out most of the liquor and to ACT drunk, not to drink himself to death.
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:01:41 PM PDT
by
jimbo123
To: atomicpossum
If your kids are bent on joining a fraternity, you had better warn them of the potential hazing. These little boys clubs are run by upper classmen who are, for the most part, losers with no true leadership ability and no backbone. Kerry and Clinton types.
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:01:57 PM PDT
by
O.C. - Old Cracker
(When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
To: feinswinesuksass
His supposed 'brothers' are also at fault. They set up the peer pressure and since everyone has done it the pledge feels the hazing is safe. Those overseeing this should be responsible enough to stop the pledge from drinking to the level of alcohol poisoning. (Especially since once the pledge has consumed enough alcohol he is in no condition to know he has had enough). They set up the ritual, they set up the rules and THEY are equally responsible. Even a bartender knows when to cut someone off and if he doesn't he could be held responsible.
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:02:50 PM PDT
by
antceecee
(God Bless President Bush. FOUR MORE YEARS!)
To: atomicpossum
Death by alcohol poisoning don't require fraternities. They require idiots, and the abundant supply of these on any campus accounts for the regular reports of such deaths, whether a frat is involved or not.I note for the record that the supply of idiots far exceeds demand.
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:02:51 PM PDT
by
Poohbah
(SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER...SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER)
To: jimbo123
Someone evidently forgot to tell this green kid all the rules, huh? So now it's all his fault? That's perfect. You'd be singing a different tune if this were your son or brother.
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:03:46 PM PDT
by
O.C. - Old Cracker
(When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
To: O.C. - Old Cracker
These little boys clubs are run by upper classmen who are, for the most part, losers with no true leadership ability and no backbone. Kerry and Clinton types. Didn't get in did ya?
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:05:14 PM PDT
by
Drango
(NPR-When government funds a "news" outlet that has a bias...it's no longer news...it's propaganda.)
To: sinkspur
No, there should be criminal charges filed against those involved in this boy's death, as well as against those adults in charge of this fraternity.What's with the 'no,' as though your statement is in disagreement with me. Of course there should be charges (at least manslaughter).
Texas criminalized certain kinds of hazing (all kinds involving alcohol), and, voila, we've had none of these deaths in the last two years.
So I guess there's no need to ban fraternities.
BTW, the 'hazing' in my fraternity's hell week consisted of thoroughly cleaning, rehabilitating and painting the common areas of the fraternity house, including carpet steaming and light finish carpentry. We drank, but no one forced anyone to drink anything. Most fraternities I know are like that.
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:05:14 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(KERRY'S GLOBAL TEST: Pleasing those who were bribed by Saddam.)
To: Drango
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posted on
10/08/2004 3:05:38 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(KERRY'S GLOBAL TEST: Pleasing those who were bribed by Saddam.)
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