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States want fuel tax replaced - Fee-based sytem monitors car and computes charges
Houston Chronicle ^ | October 4, 2004 | LUCAS WALL

Posted on 10/04/2004 1:24:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Transportation officials from across the world

Interesting that states' tax prostitutes meet with internation taxing authorities.

41 posted on 10/04/2004 5:19:47 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: mewzilla
Er, wouldn't this would penalize people who drive fuel-efficient cars as much as it would those who drive gas guzzlers?

What gave you the notion that Fuel taxes were anything other than a money grab? As we move towards renewables, there will be no other way to feed the monster than a mileage tax. It is a certainty.

42 posted on 10/04/2004 5:21:56 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
As more hybrid and alternative-power vehicles are built, Forkenbrock said, gas-tax collections will suffer.

Then it isn't about conservation, green house emissions, and smog, but rather tax revenues.

43 posted on 10/04/2004 5:26:21 AM PDT by FLCowboy, (Can Hillary be happy with Newsweek?)
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To: Malsua
What gave you the notion that Fuel taxes were anything other than a money grab

I didn't say they were. But they're also another excellent reason, as far as I'm concerned anyway, to drive a fuel-effieicnt car :)

44 posted on 10/04/2004 5:28:08 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Condor51
Why shouldn't transportation be seen as a utility?

Probably because it is a necessity, and we already pay a heavy price for the priviledge. In the beginning, utilities were coops and non-profit, until someone decided that much more money could be generated by the infusion of the profit motive rather than the necessity motive ie doing something for the public good.

Fortunately most folks are able to meet the necessity obligations. Some things like electricity, are probably cheaper today than in yesteryear. The bottom line answer to the highway question, seems to reside in the highway trust fund which is like the social security trust fund. Had it been squirreled away, and not touched, other than the interest the fund earned, there would be no problem.

Now someone is looking for a solution to a problem caused by government. Pretty common problem. Solution, reduce the size of government so that they cause fewer and fewer problems. Seems simple enough, but probably not.

45 posted on 10/04/2004 5:38:16 AM PDT by wita
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To: Condor51

It's taxing business and enterprise.

Next we'll be taxed for every click of the mouse.


46 posted on 10/04/2004 5:43:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Condor51
Yeah you little PUKE, that's part of our rights as Americans - freedom to travel where and when we frickin choose!

That freedom to travel isn't some inalienable right from God, it is the fruits of trillions of dollars spent on road construction. Combined state and federal funding for highways alone are somewhere around 140 billion dollars a year. That money has to come from somewhere.

The potential big brother aspects of pay by usage are frightening, but looking strictly at the economic side it makes alot of sense.

47 posted on 10/04/2004 5:45:19 AM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: Guillermo

Is there a party of 'small' Government?


48 posted on 10/04/2004 5:54:08 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I'm sure their is, but they'd only garmer .005% of the vote.

Americans, in theory, want small government, but in practice they demand big government.

The American public gets what they want.


49 posted on 10/04/2004 5:56:24 AM PDT by Guillermo (OJ is innocent because Mark Fuhrman said the "N" word.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Transportation officials from across the world discussed the concept here at last month's annual meetings of the trade groups representing the highway and tollway industries.

The first thing we got to do is cut off the checkbook for at least our "transportation officials" to travel around the world to violate the RICO statutes...

50 posted on 10/04/2004 5:59:26 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: Sam Cree
I strongly wonder how support for the tracking of the movement of individuals breaks down along party lines.

Depends on which Party is proposing it, of course.

51 posted on 10/04/2004 6:03:33 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Somebody Get a Rope.

So9

52 posted on 10/04/2004 6:11:25 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You can bet that these GPS reports will also be used to generate speeding tickets while they monitor your highway speed.

So9

53 posted on 10/04/2004 6:15:39 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This will never fly in Texas.

This is the part that will insure this idea's demise:

>i>Researchers love the idea that driving taxes could be adjusted to promote or discourage certain actions. The system could charge more per mile during peak hours, for instance, or add a surcharge for heavy trucks and sport utility vehicles.
Not gonna happen.
54 posted on 10/04/2004 6:20:31 AM PDT by The_Victor
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"Did you know in some areas, truckers can get speeding tickets without ever seeing a police officer?? All the officer has to do is either hook up to the truck's system with his own system or go to the company and check their system."

There seem to be a lot of truckers on I-95 who are not a bit concerned about this. Either that or the police have a policy of not giving tickets unless the trucker is going 15+ mph over the speed limit. I understand that truckers are under time pressures, but a few of them literally throw their weight around at very high speeds.

55 posted on 10/04/2004 6:21:11 AM PDT by Montfort
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To: Smokin' Joe

Only if I get to be King!!! then it will be just me!! lol


56 posted on 10/04/2004 6:21:27 AM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: CGTRWK
freedom to travel isn't some inalienable right from God

With all due respect it certainly is, at least in America. Otherwise we'd be like say.. Germany, where you have to 'report' to the local Police Department when you move to a new city. As to the roads and how we get "there" - we're paying for the roads in more ways than just the gas tax.

Anyway this 'pay by the mile' bull baloney is nothing more than some socialistic Urban Planner's wet-dream and is nothing more than an electronic version of "your papers please".

After all they really don't want us to travel anyway. "They" want us all to live in one big city using "public transportation" and see personal travel (commuting) and "suburban sprawl" as one big evil that must be contained - "for the common good".

57 posted on 10/04/2004 6:23:45 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Anyone ever seen the movie Gattaca?

The politicans recommending such a system would just love a system of control like they had in that movie.


58 posted on 10/04/2004 6:26:46 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: Smokin' Joe

"Is there a party of 'small' Government?"

Unfortunately, no. Both parties are for more gov't "help" for all of us.


59 posted on 10/04/2004 6:27:32 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: The_Victor
Remember when the 55 MPH signs went up all over Houston.

It didn't take long before they came back down.
60 posted on 10/04/2004 6:30:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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