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A Leak Probe Gone Awry (Wilson, Plame)
New York Times ^ | September 27, 2004 | Editorial

Posted on 09/27/2004 6:16:05 AM PDT by OESY

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To: cyncooper
You can wish and hope and click your heels together three times and even wish upon a star but the Bush WH has not done anything to the Wilsons no matter how you cling to the idea

I don't cling to the idea...but I don't discount it either. I'm waiting for the facts to be revealed...and waiting...and waiting...

121 posted on 09/27/2004 11:53:59 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: cyncooper
You can wish and hope and click your heels together three times and even wish upon a star but the Bush WH has not done anything to the Wilsons no matter how you cling to the idea

I don't cling to the idea...but I don't discount it either. I'm waiting for the facts to be revealed...and waiting...and waiting...

122 posted on 09/27/2004 11:54:17 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: cyncooper
BTW, in addition to the CIA, other possible administration sources could reside at State or DOD.

Yes they could and they would still be SENIOR administration officials and therefore, ultimately, the responsibility of the President. His senior officials just can't go around outing CIA people because they're mad at a husband...if that's what they did.

But I've had a chance to think further about the CIA.

The idea that senior officials would out one of their own is so outrageous that I never even considered it. But now that I do it explains everything. These guys, if revealed, would go straight to jail. They couldn't claim they didn't know the rules, or didn't understand who Plame really was, or that they didn't understand the consequences of their actions. I think they would go to great lengths to try to protect their identities and keep their actions secret.

123 posted on 09/27/2004 12:00:58 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: cyncooper
lol I admire your tenacity, I'm off to see a shrink!!!
124 posted on 09/27/2004 12:43:24 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: liberallarry
I don't see it. I see lots of cheering that a Times reporter might be sent to jail. That's all.

Who have you seen here on FR who's been trying to argue Novak shouldn't have to testify? How many as a percentage of posters following this story?

Just curious.

125 posted on 09/27/2004 3:47:54 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: liberallarry
Wilson's report can't be made public because Wilson's report doesn't exist- at least according to Wilson. He said he never filed a report.

Telling someone about his trip over a plateful of Chinese food at a hole in the wall restaurant does not qualify as "a report."

126 posted on 09/27/2004 4:04:33 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: OESY
This op-ed writer for the New York Times takes a different view... thinks Novak should have to reveal his sources :

No critic could sum this up better than Geneva Overholser did in her New York Times op-ed earlier this month calling for Mr. Novak to betray his sources. "Never burn a source," writes Ms. Overholser. "It's a cardinal rule of journalism: do not disclose the identity of someone who gives you information in confidence. As a staunch believer in this rule for decades, I have surprised myself lately by concluding that journalists' proud absolutism on this issue--particularly in a case involving the syndicated columnist Robert Novak--is neither as wise nor as ethical as it has seemed."
Now, some of us aren't as surprised by Ms. Overholser as she professes herself to be. A former "ombudsman" at the Washington Post, she is the same media ethicist who recently resigned from the board of the National Press Foundation because it had bestowed an award on Fox News anchor Brit Hume.
----Source: "The Novak Exception Journalists abandon their principles in the Plame kerfuffle.," WSJ.com, 2/20/04

127 posted on 09/27/2004 5:25:34 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: liberallarry
SEPTEMBER 30, 2003 : (CLIFFORD MAY KNEW ABOUT PLAME'S CIA CONNECTION THROUGH FORMER GOVERNMENT SOURCE BEFORE NOVAK ARTICLE CAME OUT - HIS SOURCE? A DEMOCRAT) Clifford May writes in National Review Online that Plame's CIA connection "wasn't news to me. I had been told that--but not by anyone working in the White House. Rather, I learned it from someone who formerly worked in the government and he mentioned it in an offhand manner, leading me to infer it was something that insiders were well aware of." - The Corner September 30, 2003 Scroll down for May's comments.
(* Freepnote: May went on to say today that it was a democrat who told him Plame's employer in order to convince him that Wilson isn't as far left as May thought. May said this democrat told him before Novak's column was written.)

Hmmm... could it be.... Ray McGovern? Ray's the guy who flat out said he "knows" Wilson's wife is a "deep cover operative" and is "running" covert agents on WMD- he went WAY farther than Novak did. Indeed, so did Newsday. Novak never said she was covert- that info came from the liberal press and with a 527 associated with John Kerry's campaign.

Incidently, Ray McGovern of "Veteran Intelligence Preofessionals for Sanity" is associated with the Kerry campaign. And with Joe Wilson obviously.

128 posted on 09/27/2004 6:15:09 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: dirtboy
when you throw a grenade

The New York Times read the instructions on the grenade: "Pull pin and throw it."

129 posted on 09/27/2004 6:20:21 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: piasa
I'm sure everyone in her directorate knew about Plame, and many others may have as well. Government is huge and it has lots of insiders and, as I've said repeatedly, secrets are hard to keep.

Still, the laws protecting the identities of various people, and the laws forbidding dissemination of classified documents, have some meaning. It's up to the courts to decide what that meaning is.

But whatever it is, it's clear that Novak stepped over some line. Otherwise the CIA wouldn't have asked him not to publish Plame's name.

130 posted on 09/27/2004 9:39:11 PM PDT by liberallarry
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