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Misunderstanding the Enemy: the Islamic Threat and the U.S. Media
Chronicles Magazine ^ | 22 September 2004 | Srdja Trifkovic

Posted on 09/22/2004 7:50:44 PM PDT by MegaSilver

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Prophet of Doom - Islam’s Terrorist Dogma, In Muhammad’s Own Words


Islam is a caustic blend of regurgitated paganism and twisted Bible stories.
Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion solely to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money.
He was a terrorist.

And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence.


Radical Islam's 'plan' to take over America - Arab-American author outlines secret 20-year strategy to undermine country

21 posted on 09/22/2004 8:42:08 PM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Technical Editor

Interestins article. It is no surprise about the Muslim/Nazis alliance. Of course this has been around before the Nazis and Communists existed. They've been like that since day one. Don't forget that Arab Muslims rushed in defense of Adolf Eichmann, when he was caught, tried, and executed. Also, Heinrich Himmler wished Germany was a Muslim country and wanted a Muslim empire.


22 posted on 09/22/2004 8:47:18 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: MegaSilver

BUMP


23 posted on 09/22/2004 8:53:35 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: UCANSEE2


I would urge you to read the whole thing.


24 posted on 09/22/2004 9:16:34 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: MegaSilver
The article is based on a false premise about the nature of tolerance and the reason we disallow government legislation restricting freedom of religion. It is not, as the article naively supposes, that we think all religions are warm and fuzzy things, or pacifist in nature. The country was founded by religious fanatics who had seen a third of the population of central Europe slaughtered in the name of religion. They did not think religion was pacifist or benign. On the contrary.

Tolerance is not tolerance for things judged to be good or true. Such things do not need tolerance. Tolerance is tolerance for error, or it does not merit the name. The reason we tolerate error is error is the natural state of mankind, and to require lack of error on the part of men (1) condemns must men to justified punishment and (2) requires an infalliable judge to decide what is and what is not error. Such a judge does not exist in this world. Governments are least of all capable of it. Governments are no arbiters of truth. Their record in the matter is abysmal, a river of blood spilled for the grossest superstitions and the most patent errors.

We tolerate because we prefer the danger of misguided fellow citizens to the danger of an omnipotent government that claims the sole possession of the truth. Not because there is no danger in the first. We keep the right to bear arms to protect from either. We aren't scared of wicked private individuals because we fully expect to defend ourselves against them if they appear, not because we think they do not exist. When individuals engage in criminal acts we throw the book at them, judging them ourselves in our capacity as jurors, not trusting anybody else to do so with our interests in view.

Freedom is not based on the desire for safety in the first place. It is independently desired even if it brings danger, as preferably to living as a ward of paternalistic states arrogating all judgment of truth, necessity, danger, or guilt to themselves. We expect and get no assurances we won't be endangered by doing so. We will be dangerous ourselves, right back, when the occasion demands.

In the case of militant Islam, we consider preposterous the notion that millions of fellow Americans will prefer so ridiculous and unjust an ideology. But if they do, we will fight against them. We have put up with idiocies from our domestic left that are at least as dangerous - including people who gave atom bombs to Joe Stalin and lobbied for the Khmer Rogue. We tolerate not in ignorance but in majestic strength. Even when they do their worst, they will not stop us. We will re-elect W and wage our war, in contempt of anything either Muslim radicals or the international left can do about it.

25 posted on 09/22/2004 9:23:21 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: olde north church
...are all "Middle America" and are some of the most liberal states in the country. Something that also comes to mind is a few senators from the Dakotas are Lefties.

Don't confuse the general politics of a state with the folks who live in it. There's a huge difference between the mind-set of people in Manhattan and Cedar Rapids, Iowa. They may both vote Democratic, but the folks in Iowa, the Dakotas, and Southern Illinois are fiercely independent.

Middle America is what liberals like to call fly-over country, but it's the heartland of America. If you take a look at those red and blue states you can get a good idea of where it is. There's only one.

In this part of Tennessee we see muslims in headscarfs passing through, and although they're treated civilly the looks from the locals lets them know they're not wanted here. If they start to proselytize here I can forsee trouble. The rural Christian South is no place for mulims.

26 posted on 09/22/2004 9:37:37 PM PDT by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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The country was founded by religious fanatics who had seen a third of the population of central Europe slaughtered in the name of religion. They did not think religion was pacifist or benign.

Which is why they chose to separate Church from State. They reasoned that the religious conflicts of Old Europe came from the mixing of religion and politics.

Islam not only mixes the two, it does not draw distinctions between them. It can be argued that allowing an Islamic foothold in the United States is akin to allowing foreign embassies to a government whose raison d'etre is to overthrow us entirely.

Freedom is not based on the desire for safety in the first place. It is independently desired even if it brings danger, as preferably to living as a ward of paternalistic states arrogating all judgment of truth, necessity, danger, or guilt to themselves. We expect and get no assurances we won't be endangered by doing so. We will be dangerous ourselves, right back, when the occasion demands.

The inevitable consequence of allowing Islam the freedom of having a foothold in the West WILL be the loss of our own freedom, and many of our lives, as well. It is not a matter of "if," but "when."

If freedom as you define it in the end leads to more--and worse--oppression, then is freedom really worth it?

27 posted on 09/22/2004 9:46:56 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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Ping


28 posted on 09/22/2004 10:06:16 PM PDT by kanawa (Only losers look for exit strategies. Winners figure out how to win.)
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To: MegaSilver
Yes, freedom is really worth it. No, they aren't going to defeat us. No, we don't have to adopt their linkage of politics and religion in order to defeat them. Our system is and always has been superior to theirs. We have nothing to learn from them. Your way is simply to become as stupid as they are out of fear. Fear is what has made them so stupid in the first place. Brave men do not throw away their freedom out of fear of pissant bullies half way across the world who can't organize their way out of a paper bag. Your council of cowardice is wasted on Americans, who are too brave and too generous to fall for such crap.
29 posted on 09/22/2004 10:14:53 PM PDT by JasonC
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Nothing to see here folks, move along
30 posted on 09/22/2004 10:40:44 PM PDT by kanawa (Only losers look for exit strategies. Winners figure out how to win.)
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What have we done to counter this threat? Dubya has made a start but where are the leaders in Congress, the press, the academy and elsewhere who have come up with effective ways to stop this mortal threat? We should both make clear that those with good ideas are praised and those who support the attack on the United States are identified. FR is helping. What other groups are? We can help knit them together into an effective force. I would like to start by pointing to the Hudson Institute; they have transitioned from their former focus on "thinking the unthinkable" to very good programs on this threat. There are others. Let us bring them to the fore.


32 posted on 09/22/2004 11:41:41 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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Here in NJ, it's very polarized. muslims are not welcome, anymore. The press here has picked up on it, the muslims have picked up on it and of course it's the Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, etc. communities are wrong. The muslims are the victims.
It's really a shame. I attended a small communitiy college, I had a few friends who were Lebanese Christians. I made a comment about islam being from what I read of the qu'ran (chosen excerpts for a "Comparison of Major World Religions" class) seemed to be "all right", although the concept of submission is not in my character.
They bristled at the idea and gave the inside dope on how they destroyed Lebanon. It wasn't pretty.
As far as New Jersey goes, it's quite different than the way it's portrayed in the movies and on tv. It's not all cities and toxic waste dumps. Actually, an episode of the "Sopranos" showed the other part. The Pine Barrens take up about half the state and when the night falls, there is no place darker.
Those of us who were raised in Central, South and West Jersey are totally different species from those in the Northeast New Jersey adjacent to New York breed.
33 posted on 09/23/2004 4:59:32 AM PDT by olde north church (There's a woodshed got James Carville's name behind it, learn him his yes ma'ams and no ma'ams.)
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Daniel Pipes

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1224487/posts





34 posted on 09/23/2004 5:13:24 AM PDT by kanawa (Only losers look for exit strategies. Winners figure out how to win.)
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Thanks for the post and the ping. I wonder what Lunatic Fringe and the rest of the Dhimmis will have to say to this.


36 posted on 09/23/2004 6:33:39 AM PDT by Gurn (Islam is a cancer.)
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To: MegaSilver
The Islamic States of America?
37 posted on 09/23/2004 7:02:37 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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"the international Brotherhood preaches that religion and politics cannot be separated and that governments eventually should be Islamic"

That is their plan for America, just as it is with Europe!

Europe is being overrun with Islam fanatics!

38 posted on 09/23/2004 9:37:59 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: JasonC
Brave men do not throw away their freedom out of fear of pissant bullies half way across the world who can't organize their way out of a paper bag.

Therein lies the problem with your argument. Did you even read the article I posted?

This internal threat to America is increasing. Between 1987 and 1997 8 percent of all immigrants—two million—came from Muslim countries, but that proportion is rapidly increasing. While overall immigration (legal and illegal) has grown by 300 percent since 1970, growth of immigration from the Middle East has gone up 700 percent, from under 200,000 in 1970 to 1.5 million in 2000. Expected number of immigrants from the Middle East in 2010 will be 2,500,000. These figures are matched and likely to be exceeded by the number of Muslim immigrants from the Indian Sub-Continent (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh). Currently Muslims account for close to one-tenth of all naturalizations, and their birth rates exceed those of any other significant immigrant group. Even a conservative estimate of their number of three million, or one-percent of the population, has alarming security implications and the potential for disproportionate growth.

They are not halfway around the world. They are here. In the West. Our ridiculous immigration policies provide terrorists with a fresh Western Muslim diaspora--and therefore all the recruits and manpower they could possibly want.

39 posted on 09/23/2004 9:10:54 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: Technical Editor
OK. I am still trying to digest all the information.

The idea that Jewish people seem to dominate business and money concerns is like telling me that black men are trying to dominate the world by excelling in sports.

Both have foundations in tendency, but are still stereotyping.

I do believe I understand the basic premise of the article. The Islamic threat, though based on a corruption of the Koran, by a human designated prophet named Mohammed, is real. What is has turned into is similar to the top echelon of what is called the Democratic Party. And just as difficult to stop.

40 posted on 09/23/2004 11:20:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just because you are not paranoid, doesn't mean you can't learn to be.)
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