Posted on 09/21/2004 8:24:29 PM PDT by GIJoel
"Who did Putin point to when responding to the tragedy of Beslan? The West. Given that Islam and its terror were borne of the Middle East, what is the logic of blaming the West? There is indeed a logic, albeit not a comfortable one."
"The only nation in the world to completely overthrow communism was Spain, and it took a long and bloody war to do it."
Ahem, you forgot to point out that Spain is now communist controlled again, thanks to Islamic terrorists and their top-shelf brand of evil.
My general response to your posts and logic.
The 1991 culmination of the "fall" of the Soviet Union, was little more than a planned, deliberate downsizing to reduce the overbearing costs of maintaining a modern day Empire.
Russia today is smaller, financially stronger than before, and the KGB has taken control.
Anyone who points that out in this forum, is called an Islamic shill, and a communist.
On the bright side, the death age for men is up from 55 to 59.5, the birth rate has been climbing steadily from 1.1 to around 1.4 or 1.6 and still climbing and they outlawed abortions after 12 weeks and the Church is pushing for a full outlawing. Generally moving in the right direction but a ways to go.
I started this thread for a purpose, and that is to educate people (especially, new people) who are morally equiped to handle the phony collapse of the Soviet Union. If the post doesn't apply to you, it only takes a half-second to scroll past it. Have a nice day (really).
If they can handle Chechnya, they've given no sign of doing so.
If they do handle Chechnya, it is likely to be the post-9/11 solution to the terrorism problem I would've employed--the "Grand Tour." And that solution will DECREASE the recruiting pool--you can't recruit dead people unless you're the Democratic party, looking for votes.
As far as ethnic chauvinism is concerned, such sentiments existed when the Bolsheviks overthrew the Czar, and the Soviet held sway for 80+ years thereafter. Who's to say they wouldn't try it again?
The conditions that existed in 1917 do not obtain at this time. Oddly enough, many of the Bolshevik revolutionaries were non-Russian. "Socialist Internationalism" trumped ethnic chauvinism at that point in time, because that was the driving ideology behind ejecting the Tsarist government.
Even more oddly, Russification was started by Joseph Stalin--a Georgian. That set the seeds for everyone to winding up hating the communists, because the communists became the new Tsars.
This time around, nationalism is in the driver's seat. "Nationist internationalism" is self-contradictory on its face.
"Anyone who points that out in this forum, is called an Islamic shill, and a communist."
Yes. Frustrating.
See post 548.
Handling Chechnya can be defined different ways:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1224340/posts
He is partially responsible for the near-crippling of CIA ant-Soviet operations, as the CI staff hunted desperately for a mole that didn't exist.
Blowing holes in your arguments is becoming to easy. By your reconning, Spain is still a facist state, after all, how could Franco or his party (granted he died) just leave power? Same with Chile. Guess Poland and East Germany are still communists. Oh and same with Serbs, Croats, Bosnians, Makedonians and Bulgarians. Same with Ukrainians, Moldovians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Armenians, Azerbajanies, Albania. Greece is still a bunch of Facists too, since how possibly could the Regime of the Colonels leave without open revolution?
As for revolution, again, you can't even get that correct: first, Romania had a bloody revolution, maybe you missed the part where Cecisco and his gal were put to the wall? Cambodia also had a bloody and long revolution/civil war. Oh and I guess you missed the part about the coup in the Soviet Union in '91 that ended in mass protests and Yeltsin standing on the tank calling for open revolution against the SU and the disintegration of said entity shortly after? But then again, none of that fits your particular agenda.
Actually, Hitler was an amphetamine addict so was Goebbles...explains a lot of their fantasy front decisions in '44 and '45. Germany would have never won against Russia but they could have held off Russia and America probably till '48 if the generals ran the war and not Hitler.
You call it education, I call it conspiracy brainwashing and the majority here tend to agree. I also call it trying to blind the public to the real enemy of Islam, so not only is it an exercise in fantasy but it is a danger to the survival of our very republic.
Communist or Fascism can rise under different name and in different location. That Communists took power in Russia in 1917 was a surprise - the Communists were very strong in Western Europe while in Russia they were a tiny sect. The only reasons why they had luck were the following:
1. Last tsar was very gentle man and allowed his most vicious enemies like Lenin to survive and go into exile. (Brits and others had no such scruples).
2. Russia was weakened by the bloody war and Western "allies" were pushing Russians to accept weak democratic government which was no capable to rule and demanded continuation of military effort.
3. Germans financed and help Bolsheviks to return and stage a coup (called later a Revolution).
4. Western "allies" imposed so stringent requirements and sanctions on Russians fighting against Communists that the later won the civil war.
And you know the rest of the story.
Next times the Brown or Red menace will take another country, probably under the guise of Political Correctness.
Well, the Tsarist government was overthrown by pro-Western democrats early in 1917. This created chaos and vacuum of power which allowed Bolsheviks to come to Russia from Germany and stage a coup at the end of 1917.
Nice summary, thank you.
"Next times the Brown or Red menace will take another country, probably under the guise of Political Correctness."
A distinct possibility. The USA Left would very much prefer that, post haste.
Nice summary, thank you.
"Next times the Brown or Red menace will take another country, probably under the guise of Political Correctness."
A distinct possibility. The USA Left would very much prefer that, post haste.
This was the ONLY way for the Soviet regime to survive. Russians were not willing to fight against Germans in the name of Political Correctness and Internationalism.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.