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Dan Rather is Not an Ex-Marine
Personal knowledge/opinion | September 20, 2003 | Donald J. Taylor

Posted on 09/20/2004 5:27:26 AM PDT by DJ Taylor

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To: Miss Marple; DJ Taylor

“Fascinating! I love the personal experiences that Freepers bring to news analysis!

Thank you for your service to our country.”

I’m seconding that one, Miss Marple.


101 posted on 09/20/2007 12:42:05 PM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: DJ Taylor

Good insight my friend...thank you for your service.


102 posted on 09/20/2007 12:42:50 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: DJ Taylor

Thank you for your article and thank you for your service from a 65 to 69 USAF vet. The reason that Rather could get away with this in the past is that all the media types covered up for each other. Now with the internet ordinary citizens can have input directly to other citizens and we can all access previously censored news that the MSM did not want out in the public. Dan Rather is not fit to shine any Marines boot.

BTW when is John Kerry going to release his 180 info?


103 posted on 09/20/2007 12:46:54 PM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: AppyPappy

Hi Appy,

When I joined the Navy in 1965 my company hung out washing windows and swabbing decks in the recruit barracks in San Diego for weeks before several companies were filled with the requirered 80 newby swabbies per company. We hung out I believe for 21-days before beginning training, then about half way through what seemed like an endless boot camp our training was accelerated when Lyndon Johnson announced the troop buildup in Viet Nam.

After weeks and weeks of training for the graduation parade thing, one day they lined us up on the grinder and told us we were sailors now, gave us our orders and kicked us out the gate. If I recall, (not easily done these days) my boot camp was over 3-months.

If Rather was being mustered out, he may have spent some time picking up butts while waiting for his, “UNSUITABLE” discharge papers.

I vote for the Bed-Wetter theory.


104 posted on 09/20/2007 12:58:13 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: DJ Taylor
I and my brothers participated in marches in Washington, DC calling for military Victory in Vietnam back in 1969 and 1970 to counter-protest Bill's, Hill's, and Danny-Boy's anti-military "Moratoriums."

He was a fraud then and he's just a bigger fraud now.

105 posted on 09/20/2007 12:59:42 PM PDT by My2SonsAreMarines (They are both Eagle Scouts too -- and I'm proud of them!)
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To: gobucks; DJ Taylor
Ooops, someone just added this old thread to the "Extended News Sidebar". I thought this was a current thread.

Oh, happy 3 yr. anniversary DJ. ;-)

106 posted on 09/20/2007 1:03:54 PM PDT by 300magnum (God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it. D.Webster)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

I’m pretty sure it was 180 days.


107 posted on 09/20/2007 1:12:19 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: DJ Taylor

Plausible hypothesis.

Training back in the 50s in boot camp still focused upon lessons known first hand to WWII and Korean War vets who ran the depots.

The main reason for inducing the high stress environment was not so much to induce a harassment package, which unfortunately less mature generations later perceived the training to entail. Rather, the harassment was inflicted specifically to contrive absolutely no-win environments with high stress and physically demanding tests, so as to identify those who would not hold up in a combat environment where other Marines and the mission depended upon their performance.

There are some elements of endurance which are endemic to human makeup which are no fault of the individual’s volition, but in their spirit may indeed cause them to freeze up in combat.

Bed wetting probably was one of those indicators of that trait to seniors.

Once it appeared to become a trend, then obvious measures had to be taken against those who simply wanted to not keep their contract and bail, hence the stories of how DIs handled such cases in later years.

The best example I can think of to communicate this was a WWII film a few years back with Sylvestor Stallone as an American in a German WWII POW camp. (Lousy film, but had a unique aspect in that action scene, which was actually fairly realistic regarding human nature.) The movie theme centered around a large scale breakout attempt. When the time came to breakout during a morning formation/roll call, the plan changed and everybody scrambled to breakout as best per plan as possible.

During the moment of mayhem, POWs without weapons, initial hand to hand and slaughter of unarmed POWs, the natural response would have been to take cover or attack, but not remain in the open. In the film, about 5-10% of those in formation simply remained still, frozen, not moving, or deeply dedicated in prayer.

There actually is a percentage of the population which will respond to combat situations in that fashion, they simply freeze up. They easily become casualties and can take others with them who attempt to protect them. Those of whom have that trait, aren’t necessarily cowards or freaks. Maybe its spiritual, maybe its a deep psychological response, but it occurs in a small percentage of the population and might not get observed unless a similar high stress, life threatening, environment is thrust upon them.

The more seasoned vets with wherewithal, after a full national effort of total war in WWII and Korean War somewhat recognized this. I’ve encountered that wherewithal from seasoned grunt officers from that time period, but not as much from grunts from Vietnam through the 90s. And perhaps my perspective has been somewhat unique than that of others.

But from my perspective, your hypothesis is plausible.


108 posted on 09/20/2007 1:23:29 PM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"I’m pretty sure it was 180 days."

I believe you are correct. Like I said I wasn't sure if I was recalling it correctly. I will see if I can find something on it somewhere on the internet.

Thanks for the correction!
109 posted on 09/20/2007 1:32:38 PM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (No better friend, no worse enemy)
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To: jpsb

Semper Fi, my friend.


110 posted on 09/20/2007 2:14:28 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg
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To: DJ Taylor

LOL!

Dan Rather, bed-wetter.

I wonder if that applies to Walter Cronkite?


111 posted on 09/20/2007 2:18:17 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: DJ Taylor

As someone who had childhood rheumatic fever...
the only time I was disabled was when it was diagnosed and I spent my sixth year in bed not allowed to walk even to go to the bathroom. It has never been a disability since, as I played sports in school, had three kids, and am still active but graying lol...
If Dan passed the initial physical then he had no long term damage as can be seen by the kind of life hes led.
Dan is a self-indulgent self-obsessed phony jerk.


112 posted on 09/20/2007 2:30:32 PM PDT by donnab
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To: bethelgrad
How about being called a Grunt, remember Padre that Infantry rules,even Marines aspire to the honor of being called Infantry.
113 posted on 09/20/2007 2:44:58 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: ArrogantBustard

There is some excellent stuff in the archives.

Fun to read.

Thanks.


114 posted on 09/20/2007 2:58:23 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: gobucks
Most marines I know, especially noncollege types (... you claim to be non-college by implication), can't write very well.

Potential MORON ALERT.

Hey GOBUCKS: you're right, a Marine is going to chime in. I say YOUR post doesn't pass the smell test. Anyone I know spells Marines with a capital "M", so I find it dubious that you ever knew anyone that served in my beloved Corps and you can piss off!

115 posted on 09/20/2007 3:00:21 PM PDT by SwankyC
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To: FortWorthPatriot

IIRC, 180 days is when VA benefits kick in.


116 posted on 09/20/2007 3:58:24 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: SwankyC
"Most marines I know, especially noncollege types ... can't write very well."

You must have been in a very small circle of friends. Those I knew during my 7 years while as a Marine on active duty were among some of the most intelligent people I ever met.
117 posted on 09/20/2007 6:03:00 PM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (No better friend, no worse enemy)
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To: FortWorthPatriot
It wasn't me, it was the boob I was responding to that said we're all stupid. I was just like, yea thanks, by the way you didn't capitalize "Marines" like it should be.

Sure, I served with some real retards but that was more the exception than the rule.

118 posted on 09/21/2007 7:55:28 AM PDT by SwankyC
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To: SwankyC

My response was meant for GoBucks, not you. I do sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding.


119 posted on 09/21/2007 9:00:43 AM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (No better friend, no worse enemy)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Ahhh, it happens.


120 posted on 09/21/2007 9:59:36 AM PDT by SwankyC
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