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CBS News - We were deceived.
The New York Times ^ | September 20, 2004 | JIM RUTENBERG

Posted on 09/20/2004 4:27:12 AM PDT by ConservativeBamaFan

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To: MistyCA
"According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition."

Like many on FR consider Hillary the epitome of evil, Karl Rove has God like qualities to Dimocrats. No wonder they are the Godless tribe of America.

Perhaps we can get Mr. Rove to seek the presidential nomination in 2008? ;)

41 posted on 09/20/2004 5:21:09 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: MinuteGal

May I be the first to suggest that Martin Sheen play the part of Mr. Burkett in the CBS miniseries; Dan Rather to portray himself.


42 posted on 09/20/2004 5:22:07 AM PDT by Paul12438
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To: TheGeezer
BTTT!!! Thank you!!!

" ... Pack him off ..." to say, Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.

Yup, a most excellent comment!!!

43 posted on 09/20/2004 5:26:27 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: sauropod

Maybe it should be changed to CDS - D for Donkey.

Dan the Donkey up to his eyeballs in Donkey Sh*t.


44 posted on 09/20/2004 5:28:24 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (W - So hot he's Smokin - Smokin Em Out!! All out!!)
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To: ruready4eternity
"After this , I hope this sets the example for "all" media outlets. I hope all outlets heed the warning. Now we just know "who's who" in America. The seeds and plantations and funds from outside sources are well used in this country to bring this President down. Dont think Communism is dead. It is more real than you imagine it to be. The Enemy within.

Hope doesn't fare well in the fight against Communism, but there are other ways to slay that beast.

And you are right, Communism and it's socialist partners, are the enemy within.

45 posted on 09/20/2004 5:29:06 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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CBS News Concludes It Was Misled on National Guard Memos, Network Officials Say
By JIM RUTENBERG

fter days of expressing confidence about the documents used in a "60 Minutes'' report that raised new questions about President Bush's National Guard service, CBS News officials have grave doubts about the authenticity of the material, network officials said last night.

The officials, who asked not to be identified, said CBS News would most likely make an announcement as early as today that it had been deceived about the documents' origins. CBS News has already begun intensive reporting on where they came from, and people at the network said it was now possible that officials would open an internal inquiry into how it moved forward with the report. Officials say they are now beginning to believe the report was too flawed to have gone on the air.

But they cautioned that CBS News could still pull back from an announcement. Officials met last night with Dan Rather, the anchor who presented the report, to go over the information it had collected about the documents one last time before making a final decision. Mr. Rather was not available for comment late last night.

The report relied in large part on four memorandums purported to be from the personal file of Mr. Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, who died 20 years ago. The memos, dated from the early 1970's, said that Colonel Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat'' the record of the young Lieutenant Bush and that the officer had disobeyed a direct order to take a physical.

Mr. Rather and others at the network are said to still believe that the sentiment in the memos accurately reflected Mr. Killian's feelings but that the documents' authenticity was now in grave doubt.

The developments last night marked a dramatic turn for CBS News, which for a week stood steadfastly by its Sept. 8 report as various document experts asserted that the typeface of the memos could have been produced only by a modern-day word processor, not Vietnam War-era typewriters.

The seemingly unflappable confidence of Mr. Rather and top news division officials in the documents allayed fears within the network and created doubt among some in the news media at large that those specialists were correct. CBS News officials had said they had reason to be certain that the documents indeed had come from the personal file of Colonel Killian.

Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said last week, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents.''

But officials decided yesterday that they would most likely have to declare that they had been misled about the records' origin after Mr. Rather and a top network executive, Betsy West, met in Texas with a man who was said to have helped the news division obtain the memos, a former Guard officer named Bill Burkett.

Mr. Rather interviewed Mr. Burkett on camera this weekend, and several people close to the reporting process said his answers to Mr. Rather's questions led officials to conclude that their initial confidence that the memos had come from Mr. Killian's own files was not warranted. These people indicated that Mr. Burkett had previously led the producer of the piece, Mary Mapes, to have the utmost confidence in the material.

It was unclear last night if Mr. Burkett had told Mr. Rather that he had been misled about the documents' provenance or that he had been the one who did the misleading.

In an e-mail message yesterday, Mr. Burkett declined to answer any questions about the documents.

Yesterday, Emily J. Will, a document specialist who inspected the records for CBS News and said last week that she had raised concerns about their authenticity with CBS News producers, confirmed a report in Newsweek that a producer had told her that the source of the documents said they had been obtained anonymously and through the mail.

In an interview last night she declined to name the producer who told her this but said the producer was in a position to know. CBS News officials have disputed her contention that she warned the network the night before the initial "60 Minutes'' report that it would face questions from documents experts.

In the coming days CBS News officials plan to focus on how the network moved ahead with the report when there were warning signs that the memorandums were not genuine.

Ms. Will is one of two documents experts consulted by the network who said they raised doubts about the material before the segment was broadcast. Another expert, Marcel B. Matley, said in interviews that he had vouched only for Colonel Killian's signatures on the records and not the authenticity of the records themselves. Mr. Matley said he could not rule out that the signatures had been cut and pasted from official records pertaining to Colonel Killian.

In examining where the network had gone wrong, officials at CBS News turning their attention to Ms. Mapes, one of their most respected producers, who was riding particularly high this year after breaking news about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal for the network.

In a telephone interview this weekend, Josh Howard, the executive producer of the "60 Minutes'' Wednesday edition, said that he did not initially know who was Ms. Mapes' primary source for the documents but that he did not see any reason to doubt them. He said he believed Ms. Mapes and her team had appropriately answered all questions about the documents' authenticity and, he noted, no one seemed to be casting doubt upon the essential thrust of the report.

"The editorial story line was still intact, and still is, to this day,'' he said, "and the reporting that was done in it was by a person who has turned in decades of flawless reporting with no challenge to her credibility.''

He added, "We in management had no sense that the producing team wasn't completely comfortable with the results of the document analysis.''

Ms. Mapes has not responded to requests for comment.

Mr. Howard also said in the interview that the White House did not dispute the veracity of the documents when it was presented to them on the morning of the report. That reaction, he said, was "the icing on the cake'' of the other reporting the network was conducting on the documents. White House officials have said they saw no reason to challenge documents being presented by a credible news organization.

Several people familiar with the situation said they were girding for a particularly tough week for Mr. Rather and the news division should the network announce its new doubts.

One person close to the situation said the critical question would be, "Where was everybody's judgment on that last day?''


46 posted on 09/20/2004 5:35:03 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thnk God, a hyphenated American: An AMERICAN-American - AND a Dollar-a-Day FReeper! 2XBlessed!)
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To: ruready4eternity

Three cheers btt


47 posted on 09/20/2004 5:35:42 AM PDT by marty60
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To: G.Mason

What that told me was they were already thinking how they could blame everything on the Republicans as early as the 10th. I think we thwarted their best laid plans. :)


48 posted on 09/20/2004 5:38:23 AM PDT by MistyCA
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To: ConservativeBamaFan

But Officer, she told me she was 18!


49 posted on 09/20/2004 5:38:44 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: ConservativeBamaFan

Rember dncdan said that the documents came from an "unimpeachable" source. Boy that was a big time LIE! Unless you call Terry {global crossing}Mcalfull unimpeachable.


50 posted on 09/20/2004 5:48:13 AM PDT by southernerwithanattitude (new and improved redneck)
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To: ConservativeBamaFan
CBS and the MSM will change the story. The network was duped. Mapes was duped. Rather was duped. Let's move on, nothing to see here. End of story.

It will be up to the usual "truth tellers" to now focus on the real story. Where the docs originated, who had custody of them, and the motive for such activities. If the real story is allowed to fall off the radar screen, which the MSM will try to push, the uninformed will forget, as they usually do, what was really going on here. We can't allow this story to be spiked while the potentially criminal acts which were embraced by Terry McAuliffe, the Monstrous Minions, and the Kerry Kampaign to become whitewashed.

51 posted on 09/20/2004 5:53:35 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (John Kerry: Incoherent and Indecisive.)
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To: ConservativeBamaFan

You reap what you sow!!!


52 posted on 09/20/2004 5:55:32 AM PDT by txoilman
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To: ConservativeBamaFan

They can't fool anyone at this point, so they now paint themselves as dupes. Better to be a dupe than a crook, but I don't believe they are dupes just because they say so.


53 posted on 09/20/2004 5:55:37 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: southernerwithanattitude

Nope, I'm betting his unimpeachable source is non other than Dan Rathers own Daughter.
I don't have any proof, just a couple of fake documents, but I think Dan should step up to the plate and answer the questions.


54 posted on 09/20/2004 5:58:26 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (I made my Fortune selling Sugar Coated Cat Turds on a Stick at the DNC Convention)
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To: ConservativeBamaFan

Dear Dan,

No $hit you were deceived.

Going back into my pj's to wait for the next one.


55 posted on 09/20/2004 6:03:37 AM PDT by thag (Knuckle dragging, non-pajama wearing member of the VRWC.........)
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To: MistyCA
"What that told me was they were already thinking how they could blame everything on the Republicans as early as the 10th. I think we thwarted their best laid plans. :)"

While flicking through the channels Sunday, I stumbled upon Fox showing Rather being greeted by some "news" people at an airport in (I believe) Texas.

Mind you I am not a clinical mental health technician, but Mr.[?] Rather was competely unhinged and seemingly on his way to the "Kenneth, what's the frequency" zone, once again.

He kept saying ... "Good to see you ... take care of yourself ... good to see you ... good to see you ... take care of yourself.



They're coming to take me away ... ho ho ... hee hee ... they're coming to take me away ... ho ho ... ha ha ... to the funny farm ...

56 posted on 09/20/2004 6:04:13 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: G.Mason

I saw that! Yes, I do believe he was pretty rattled. Maybe he was going to try to sneak in and out of Texas unnoticed! LOL. Surprise! :)


57 posted on 09/20/2004 6:05:52 AM PDT by MistyCA
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To: jamaksin
A direct and intentional attempt to influence a Federal election.

How is that a felony? I do it all the time.

58 posted on 09/20/2004 6:13:08 AM PDT by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: biblewonk
Using a Federally licensed (i.e., FCC) outlet ... ?
59 posted on 09/20/2004 7:02:14 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: ConservativeBamaFan

"CBS News officials have grave doubts about the authenticity of the material"

well no sheeeeet...

every kid who ever sat in front of a computer screen could tell you that the docs were generated on a word processor...

Let us know when the clowns at SeeBS discover that the world is round too!!! LMAO


60 posted on 09/20/2004 7:26:55 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi Travis,http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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