Too bad no one can curb the "freedom" of our MSM to spew lies and gavno
Goodness, where is all this freedom of the press heading?
Posted on 09/19/2004 10:39:50 PM PDT by MarMema
Putin is the same old KGB Communist he always was...only with his hand out. Do you know how much Russia is STILL spending on an underground, bunkered CITY? Now, why would they do that?
1/3rd of the Russian people still think Lenin and communism were a good thing. Why is everybody so excited ?
Lalalalalalalalalalala....sand, head, buried....lalalalalala
"Vladimir Putin: Russia indeed works with Iran in many areas, and we will continue to do this. At the same time, like our European colleagues, in France, Germany, Great Britain, and like the U.S.A., we are concerned about questions that arise on the Iran nuclear programme. We were categorically against widening the club of nuclear nations, including the addition of Iran. I want to stress this: we are categorically opposed to this. We hold talks with our Iranian partners, and we will try to achieve certain guarantees from their side, such as agreements, and we believe that this problem can and must be examined by the international community at this stage in the framework of the MAGATE. We will work with our partners on this issue, transparently, actively and persistently. At the same time, our position is that these problems should not lead to an additional unjustified competitive fight for the according markets. The market of nuclear technology used for peaceful means is severely limited. Iran is one of these markets. We need to reach agreements according to which we act by common rules. But all of us, I repeat, are unanimous that we must do everything to prevent the widening of the club of nuclear nations, including the addition of Iran.
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More manure spread by the Communist propagandists...
Is that really what you think?
the splendor and misery of the Russian press
"Actually, most of the pressure against journalists in Russia is exerted by two forces, both of which might be called baronial: the industrial barons known as the oligarchs, representing Yel’tsin-era bandit capitalism; and the regional barons–the political machines of governors, presidents of ethnic republics, mayors, and other administrative heads. It is these political machines, as often as not corrupt and linked to criminal circles, that are largely responsible for the violence in the media environment."
"We, who have lived under the Soviets, know a thing or two about strangulation of free speech by the state apparatus; we know what it takes. Currently registered in Russia are 22,181 papers and 12,726 magazines. To keep them in check, the state would have to cancel the appropriate article of the Constitution, the 1990 U.S.S.R. Law on the Press and the 1991 R.F. Law on Mass Media, all of which ban any type of censorship. It would have to build up again the multi-layered censorship structure thatcomprised, under the Soviets, not just Glavlit with all its ubiquitous branches that watched over every scrap of paper with words printed on it, but also the one-party system with a watchful Party bureau at the editorial offices of each paper, magazine, publishing house, radio station, etc."
"I, too, have worked in the media environment since perestroika. I know dozens of journalists well enough, and not one of them has ever complained about their materials being suppressed by some secret state censorship organ or anyone linked to the state apparatus. God knows we have enough problems without this nonsense. Very serious problems—like economic survival."
"The media business lives in Russia, as everywhere else, by the same laws as any other kind of business: Big fish eat little fish. But the closure of any of these publications is accompanied inevitably by loud howls about an onslaught on the freedom of speech, in which the free-speech "tourists" lustily join.
"The greatest ill afflicting freedom of the press in Russia is the fact that there are no independent, self-sustained media outlets left around. All the media have been bought, they cannot exist without huge subsidies, and they do the bidding of their masters."
"If, or rather when, I am kicked out of my present position as editor-in-chief of Moscow News, this will not be due to the totalitarian onslaught on the free press in Russia. In the minds of anyone even remotely familiar with the media situation in Russia, the incident automatically will be chalked up to Russia’s oligarchs’ freedom, and wherewithal, to buy the formerly free press–and mold it to their liking."
You see everything, as the press here does, from an American viewpoint. Russia has not been a country long enough to be free of extreme corruption, which Yeltsin assisted and encouraged. Russia is not America.
It makes far more sense to view the changes in Russia as being about corruption, not tyranny. It is a difficult concept for Americans to understand, when they are not in a country where ordinary tourists are being hit on for all of their cash by local policemen, in the center of Moscow.
Become "remotely familiar" and pay close attention to the lines above - "the closure of any of these publications is accompanied inevitably by loud howls about an onslaught on the freedom of speech, in which the free-speech "tourists" lustily join".
Those loud howls should be very familiar to you as a conservative. I still cannot understand how so many freepers are missing the boat.
If Putin is so terrible and pro-islamic, why is Sharon so eager to be close and share technology with him and Russia?
The islamic news is filled with scathing pieces about Sharon "chasing Putin down" to share secrets and technology with him. It is true that Sharon courted Putin, offering help and more, with no strings attached. Even some of our media seemed to be surprised by it.
Is Sharon naive then? Have you ever read what Putin was saying about Arafat, years ago even? Very strong language.
I think rather Sharon and Putin are very close and becoming closer. This puts a large hole in the pro-islamic Putin theory.
Too bad no one can curb the "freedom" of our MSM to spew lies and gavno
Goodness, where is all this freedom of the press heading?
Ahh, yes the Putin Apologist rides again!!
You still haven't answered CWOJackson's questions. Don't think we've forgot about that.
Now, back to the questions you haven't answered:
So the Russian Orthodox church believes it's fine to prop up the brutal and demented North Korean dictator, a man who slaughters his own people in the thousands, and to give him missile technology to threaten his neighbors with?
So the Russian Orthodox church believes it's alright to provide nuclear technology to the islamic nation of Iran, a rogue state openly threatening a Christian nation?
So the Russian Orthodox church believes it's alright to violate international agreement and illegal sell advances weapons to a nation under sanctions...that Russia publicly agreed to?
I assume by your respone that either the Russian Orthodox church is very liberal in it's attitude towards arming non-Christian dictators or that devotion is subordinate to the state.
No answer to my question about Sharon, I take it. Ok.
I belong to the American Orthodox Church, and I would be very hesitant to speak for the entire church. Much less one I don't belong to.
Do you attend a church, and if so, which one?
Holy cow!
You and me on the same side of an issue?
,,, I don't think so. The Russian economy is doing better than ever and any gains will probably be split between advancing living conditions, maintaining military power and a level of co-operation with like minded States. The breakaway States will possibly align themselves with Poland and western europe. Taking them back would be another Afghanistan for Russia.
Either answer the questions or stop annoying me with your useless pings. You are a Putin apologist, period.
I don't recall us being on a different side of any issues?
He NEEDS to reign in the regional politicians, who are totally corrupt. Also, understand that there are only two regions that really matter in Russia: Moscow and St. Petersburg. The rest of the country is backwards dirt-poor farmland and tundra. This is not the U.S. we are talking about.
Sorry, someone with a very similar handle.
Your post #10 was dead on.
You are so totally wrong. In Russia, the murderous oligarchs bought all of the "media" to further their political ends, which got Yeltsin re-elected back in the 1990s and further entrenched the oligarchs. Putin was the only politician who was powerful enough to take on the oligarchs. He sent Berezovki and Gusinski into exile in the U.K.; Abromovitz followed voluntarily after seeing the writing on the wall (buying the Chelsea soccer team and living the good life). Khodorkovski decided to try his hand at politics, and now is paying the price for his hubris. There is a lot of history that needs to be understood before criticizing Putin.
Yeah i think so, i was actually shocked b/c i run the Free Cuba ping here and you're Cuban-American and from earlier post we've agreed on everything.
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