Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin Speak out Against Putin’s Reforms
mosnews.com ^ | 9/16/2004 | Staff

Posted on 09/16/2004 1:32:40 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 381-383 next last
To: WoofDog123
What about that russian theatre that was taken by some group wearing explosives and deadman switches some time back? I do recall that they claimed to be acting with relation to problems in chechnya.
**********************************
I don't remember that, WoofDog123.

Still, if terror tactics were standard fare in the Chechnyan arsenal, we'd have seen many more "terror" attacks against Russian citizens.

I think the Russian government is lying about the genesis of the school attack.

81 posted on 09/16/2004 9:06:14 PM PDT by exodus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: Luis Gonzalez

Putin's Putzes are in full battlecry tonight...rally round the Soviet.


82 posted on 09/16/2004 9:09:39 PM PDT by CWOJackson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: Will_Zurmacht
"If Russians commit savage acts and you want the world to know about it...Document the atrocities. Publicize the atrocities. Prosecute the atrocities. Don't repeat the atrocities."

Well sh%t!

That's what I'M doing and you're accusing me of supporting terrorism!

83 posted on 09/16/2004 9:10:06 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 79 | View Replies]

To: exodus

it was in october 2002, there are a number of articles around on FR here is one

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/778156/posts

russia raised my eyebrows with the post-counterstrike PR by refusing to identify the gas used to subdue the attackers even when hostages were dying...


84 posted on 09/16/2004 9:10:46 PM PDT by WoofDog123
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: exodus
"I think the Russian government is lying about the genesis of the school attack."

Yep.

85 posted on 09/16/2004 9:10:47 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: Luis Gonzalez; Admin Moderator
Post #51 is truly disgusting, and I am willing to bet the poster is a re-thread.

I made a remark that Free Republic's resident Chechnya Cheerleader thinks is disgusting. So should I feel remorseful?

No. I feel validated.

86 posted on 09/16/2004 9:11:34 PM PDT by StoneFury (The only thing hippies understand is the fist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: exodus
"I think the Russian government is lying about the genesis of the school attack."

Reichstag fire. Putin has been maneuvering things for some years now to this moment when he has an excuse to destroy the new Russian government and restore his beloved Soviet empire.

87 posted on 09/16/2004 9:14:12 PM PDT by CWOJackson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: exodus

I'll see your argument half-way.

Whenever an extrodinary claim of a "government conspiracy" arises, I get suspicious. Without serious evidence, it looks kooky and Art-Bellish.(Although Art Bell is actually entertaining!)

But I'd buy the Putin power grab line easily. That can be demonstrated. Putin's actions over the last few years give me pause. He likes to punish enemies, again, an old Russian tradition....hehe. In another age he would have made a great party secretary.....

That said, terrorist often play into the hands of their enemies. Just ask Mr. Arafat...hehe.

As for banning people, I'm generally against it.
If people wanna be pro-Chechen, as long as they are sensible and can make a legit argument, why not?

I could even listen to an Al-Quaedaish poster under certain conditions....if they acknowledged that terrorist act were not justified, and wrong, and decided to fight in the realm of ideas, isn't that what it's about?

Granted, it gets hard to defend the indefensible, but as long as no knives are pulled, it's a healthy debate.

just my 2 cents


88 posted on 09/16/2004 9:14:53 PM PDT by Will_Zurmacht
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: WoofDog123
Thanks for that link, WoofDog123.
89 posted on 09/16/2004 9:16:06 PM PDT by exodus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies]

To: CWOJackson

I agree.


90 posted on 09/16/2004 9:16:50 PM PDT by exodus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: exodus
Isn't it amazing how some people have learned absolutely nothing from history. We spent 50 years fighting the cold war and Ronald Reagan ALMOST destroyed the Soviet Union. It didn't call it the Evil Empire for nothing.

Now we're confronted with an ex-KGB agent who has been publicly bemoaning the fall of the Soviet Union, has been pushing his nation backward to the darkness, is now making his move to take over the government, muzzle the media and raise his Soviet empire from the ashes...and some people in America are worshiping him.

91 posted on 09/16/2004 9:20:22 PM PDT by CWOJackson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: CWOJackson; exodus

Check out post #51


92 posted on 09/16/2004 9:21:08 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 91 | View Replies]

To: Snapple

Over here!


93 posted on 09/16/2004 9:22:34 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Luis Gonzalez

Sad. There is plenty of well documented reports on Putin's abuses...but some seem to think it's alright when the KGB does it.


94 posted on 09/16/2004 9:23:01 PM PDT by CWOJackson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 92 | View Replies]

To: StoneFury
Putin has slaughtered 40,000 kids in Chechnya Why so few?

What you advocate is no better than what the Beslan terrorists did.

Yet silence by almost everybody on this thread.

95 posted on 09/16/2004 9:23:25 PM PDT by FreeReign
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: CWOJackson

"Now we're confronted with an ex-KGB agent who has been publicly bemoaning the fall of the Soviet Union, has been pushing his nation backward to the darkness, is now making his move to take over the government, muzzle the media and raise his Soviet empire from the ashes...and some people in America are worshiping him."

The media gives americans a terribly shallow view of foreign governments, especially those not-so-nice governments like russia, china, north korea, and of course our friends in cuba. My own comments about russia above have nothing to do wiht the general disinformation about russia that is what passes for news in the US.


96 posted on 09/16/2004 9:23:58 PM PDT by WoofDog123
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 91 | View Replies]

To: StoneFury
No. I feel validated.

You would.

97 posted on 09/16/2004 9:24:14 PM PDT by FreeReign
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: WoofDog123

Yes, you sure cannot trust American news sources like the Wall Street Journal or STRATFOR.


98 posted on 09/16/2004 9:25:13 PM PDT by CWOJackson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies]

To: Luis Gonzalez

Forgive, I think you misunderstood me..

What I meant to say is this..

If you (the Chechnyans, not you, personally, as an individual) are outraged by Russian atrocities, you can do much better by having the "Black Widows" take off their bomb belts and the angry guys could take off the mask, maybe put down the guns and and get your story out...

On the other hand, If you (again, not you Luis, You as in the angry Chechnyans) are not gonna go the "peaceful" route, and opt for violence, then direct the violence where it belongs.
If you (the Chechnyans, not you)engage in the same behavior as the Russians, you lose your argument, and your moral standing.

That's all I have been trying to say.

It really doesn't matter how many Chechen kids vs. Russian kids died last month, last year, or least century. All that matters is where we go from here....

and if someone says that killing kids is bad, but hey, look, they started killing kids first......

I have a hard time feeling sympathy for their argument.


99 posted on 09/16/2004 9:25:39 PM PDT by Will_Zurmacht
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: Will_Zurmacht
To: exodus
"... Whenever an extraordinary claim of a "government conspiracy" arises, I get suspicious. Without serious evidence, it looks kooky and Art-Bellish ..."
# 88 by Will_Zurmacht
**********************************
There is nothing "extraordinary" about a government conspiracy, Will_Zurmacht.

Politics is conspiracy, and governments are composed of politicians.

Even "serious evidence" of a crime committed by a government is ignored by that government's citizens; no one wants to believe that their leaders are evil.

100 posted on 09/16/2004 9:26:43 PM PDT by exodus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 381-383 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson