The car too, I suppose.
Posted on 09/15/2004 4:11:47 PM PDT by quantim
Goebells will probably work on propaganda events for Kerry.
If they set up the company that way from the start, they must have a valid compelling reason, such as occurs in commercial, or political competition, or religious grounds as in the church. Otherwise unions, the NEA and various other leftist groups could force their politics. NPR, unions, and other leftist commercial groups do it for important positions, but they are more discrete and not explicitly blatant about it. They can't force and be discrete with the ranks.
Are you telling me that if I hire some guy to landscape my yard, and he shows up and parks in my driveway with a Kerry bumper sticker, I can't fire him and tell him to get off my property?
What the hell are you talking about?
Come on it's a bumper sticker on the guy's car. It obviously represents only the driver/owners voice. If the guy' not free to do that, then this ain't America anymore.
Displayed on private property! Apparently property rights doesn't mean anything to you.
If you tell him that he needs to dump the sticker to get the job, you are intimidating him to abandon his rights. If you don't like it, just tell him you changed your mind and the wife likes the landscaping the way it is.
Hmmmm...are you a lawyer? You mean I can't say, 'Sorry, I won't support people who support Kerry. Now get off my property.' I think you're wrong. I'm in no way preventing him from having a Kerry bumper sticker. He has his bumper sticker, I hire whoever I want. Political leanings are not a protected class under the law.
What if he's wearing an 'I love Brittany Spears' t-shirt....can I fire him for that? LOL.
The way I see it, it's her car and her 1st Amend rights that are being violated. If the employer was given no permission to usurp their rights and 18USC245 doesn't allow him to intimidate them.
Historically bozos like this clown intimidated employees to risk life and limb so the employer could do things on the cheap. That led to various other fed laws that mandate job conditions, equipment ect. The idea that the employee can dictate everything as if the employee was property went out with slavery. Either deal with them as Free men, or suffer the wrath of the law that is justified to protect their rights. None of those employers are doing their employees favors they are all human beings and part of a team for the purpose of gainful enterprise. None of them surrenders, or has the authority to demand surrender of non job related rights.
Which means, the way you see it, the property owner has no rights.
BS. Her First Amendment right does not allow her to post a political advertisement on private property. In essence, you and her are both saying that the owner has no First Amendment rights.
"Historically bozos like this clown intimidated employees to risk life and limb so the employer could do things on the cheap."
What kind of weird ride into fantasy land is that and how does it have any relation to this situation?
It depends on how many employees you have and it's economic significance, or the total of like folks and the sum of their significance and the political impact. I doubt anyone will prosecute the singular crank. They should continue to prosecute for significant infractions like this one.
The fact is that a lot of businesses get funding and perks from the feds. Then laws(labor 42USC part C) forbidding this and even testing for political affiliation get a lot more protective and detailed. " What if he's wearing an 'I love Brittany Spears' t-shirt....can I fire him for that? LOL."
Yes. The idea is rights recognized under the 14th.
I think it was foolish to fire her only for her Kerry bumper sticker. She looks like will be invaluable to the Kerry campaign--better than a Dirt Devil in disposing of the leftover pizzas from their strategy meetings!
Priorities.
"you and her are both saying that the owner has no First Amendment rights."
No. The employer can park a great big ole' Bush sign right behind her car while she's working her 10-12 hr shifts.
"how does it have any relation to this situation?"
The employee was threatened with job loss if they did not do what they otherwise would not do, because of the risks involved.
The priority goes to the property owner. It is his property, not hers.
"The employer can park a great big ole' Bush sign right behind her car while she's working her 10-12 hr shifts."
No need to. It's his property, he only needs to inform her that she may not display a political ad on his property. She can either then cover it up while on his property or quit and go whine to the press.
"The employee was threatened with job loss if they did not do what they otherwise would not do, because of the risks involved."
Not at all, the employee was simply told that they could not display "their" political advertisement on private property.
Under your logic, unless the owner has a pre-existing police regarding the political use of his private property, anyone of his employees has the First Ammendment Right to put any bumper stickers they want on their vehilces...displayed on his property.
So if the parking lot is flooded with "Kill All Fags", "Send Them Back To Africa" and American Nazi Party bumper stickers...oh, well, he doesn't have the right to have them removed from his property.
The car too, I suppose.
He didn't say a political ad, he said your political ad. The other employees and the the employer displayed theirs. Employers do not have the authority to demand that employees abandon certain rights to his control, especially when the demand is placed in such a discriminatory, inequitable fashion.
"Kill All Fags", "Send Them Back To Africa" and American Nazi Party bumper stickers...oh, well, he doesn't have the right to have them"
He hired the morons. I suspect he's a cheap vulgar moron himself. He should suffer the consequences of collecting such a gang of murderous thugs. What business is he in anyway, organized crime?
So? If he doesn't want her political ad displayed on his private property that's his right.
"Employers do not have the authority to demand that employees abandon certain rights to his control, especially when the demand is placed in such a discriminatory, inequitable fashion."
He certainly does when it applies to political statements being displayed on his personal property. She has no rights to his property or their use.
"He hired the morons. I suspect he's a cheap vulgar moron himself."
Your prejudice to property owners and employers is noted, however, the fat moron fired herself.
It's a business relationship. He has no authority at all to dictate her property, or what it looks like and he better make sure his is fit to contain the employees safely.
"Your prejudice to property owners and employers is noted, "
I was refering to the employer you presented. The one that collected the menagery of murderous thugs.
"however, the fat moron fired herself."
She was an otherwise good productive employee that was fired, because she refused to knuckle under to his unfair, un American and unlawful demands.
Good night.
Exactly, he is not leasing her property on which to display political ads.
"He has no authority at all to dictate her property..."
You sure do seem to think she has the right to dictate his property though. However, in this case he is not dictating what she does with her property, he simply told her that she could not display her political ads on his property. Simple, she could walk to work, cover the sticker while on his property, remove the sticker or quit and become a liberal poster child.
"I was refering to the employer you presented. The one that collected the menagery of murderous thugs."
No, you were trying to worm out of the question which deals with property rights. According to you the owner has none.
"She was an otherwise good productive employee that was fired, because she refused to knuckle under to his unfair, un American and unlawful demands."
She was an idiot who removed herself from the work place. As for property rights, they are very American.
I apologize for my comments on Post #117, spunkets. It was unwarranted. Won't happen again.
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