Posted on 09/11/2004 10:41:32 AM PDT by Coleus
Just a question, I am not a catholic but have or had many catholics friends. Out of the roughly sixty-million catholics in this country, if the church say excommunicated all the cafeteria ones, how many would be left? From my small sample that I have known I would estimate less than 40%.
I'm debating.
I've had dealings with Pax Christi in the past; they are very rude, sanctimonious, arrogant, and very unmerciful, they hate republicans and vote for democrats and for abortion. NONE were seen when Clinton bombed Kosovo; Iraq; and Khartoum, Sudan (the aspirin factory); Nor where there any demonstrations while the millions of black African Christians were slaughtered by militant Muslims in Sudan, Rwanda and Somalia.
Were they seen when Clinton started HIS pre-emptive war in Kosovo and elsewhere? NO WAY, they are hypocrites and democrat ideologues who hate republicans in general and president Bush and couldn't care less about the war in Iraq, they just want Bush out.
If they were true to their cause -- world peace, they would have participated and made protests against Clinton and his pre-emptive attacks. They did not and are nothing more than hypocrites.
I was recently attacked by a woman at a counter demonstration who was wearing a Pax Christi tee-shirt. The police almost took this hysterical democrat away in handcuffs.
I have yet to see anyone from Pax Christi pray or protest at abortion clinics or do sidewalk counseling. The war in the womb is ok with them. It must be since it's a platform of the Democrat Party.
Pretty strong stuff and not entirely fair. I was local president of a Pax Christi group for a while, but I will no longer pay dues to the national organization because of their unwillingness to stand up to the pro-abortion left. Still, I know that we demonstrated against Kosovo because I personally led demonstrations against it. We drew 50 to 75 people here in Atlanta, and at one point we actually conducted a "prayer for peace" service prepared by the national Pax Christi organization.
I visited the website last night. All I could find on abortion was a document from 1991 stating the group adhered to the seamless garment philosophy in opposition to abortion. Yet at the end of the article there was a loophole implying a woman's conscience was the deciding factor in an abortion. I was left unclear as to the group's official position.
The woman who attended the recent local meeting came away with the idea the group was pro-abortion. I don't know exactly what was said as I wasn't there. She was told that parish funds would be used to pay the dues for any parishoner who wished to join. That is highly inappropriate IMO.
The national leaders of Pax Christi are "NCR Catholics," and that is their loophole on everything--primacy of conscience. I suggest you research what happened to stop the Pax Christi national convention in Memphis in the summer of 2001. That gives you a pretty good idea where the group stands on abortion.
Who really cares what another fallible mortal said or didn't say.
Why not undersatnd God's nature, which does not change and use that as your guide?
A vote for abortion will have to be explained at the pearly gates. And I don't think you're going to get a pass from Saint Peter.
"Here's a question...if the Pope came out and said abortion was ok, would you be for it?"
NO. I don't base my belief on what another man says. I have a mind of my own. I believe abortion is wrong. I believe fetal stem cell research is wrong. Free will, don't ya know.
I'm glad some people are true to their word and in deed. I bet they didn't carry signs of the three stooges and dumbo with Clinton's picture as they did with President Bush. And I bet no republican tried to assualt your group. It's getting really nasty. Up here we saw no protests during the Clinton administration.
good man
Here's what I do. In the Republican primary, I will always vote for the pro-life candidate.
If that candidate loses the primary, I will vote for the GOP candidate if the race is a legislative one, figuring that having a GOP majority in the legislative body will advance the pro-life cause, no matter what my representative says.
If the race, for example, is for governor, I will vote 3rd party or not vote at all for that position, figuring that an executive has a lot more power to hurt the pro-life cause than a legislator does. It's better to be the loyal opposition than to have your own representative stabbing you in the back.
A Voter's Guide: Pro-choice candidates and church teaching
Wall Street Journal ^ | Friday, September 17, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT | Archbishop John J. Myers
The direct killing of innocent human beings at any stage of development, including the embryonic and fetal, is homicidal, gravely sinful and always profoundly wrong.
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