Posted on 09/10/2004 7:18:39 PM PDT by SkyPilot
"Has anyone bothered to check what the USAF or ANG correspondence manuals called for regarding typed correspondence? I can speak from 25 years of service with USCG and USN that the standard in the late '70s and early '80s was Courier 12 for correspondence. My recollections are that we had Courier 10, Helvetica, and always an OCR ball for personnel forms. But that was pretty much it. Any typewriters that were out in offices always just had Courier 12 so that by default people were using the right type."
I agree with you. I was a Navy Yeoman (clerk) from 1972 to 1973. Every place I served had either IBM seletric Is (10 pitch - pica) or IBM seletric IIs (10 or 12 pitch - pica or elite). Optical Character Recognition(OCR) documents were typed in pica using an OCR character ball. I don't remember their being any requirement to type official corresspondence in elite. I think it depended on what was available to you. However, during that time frame in both the regular and reserve Navy, the IBM selectric (some with earasing capability)was the standard typewriter. It should be noted that these were all monospaced not proportionate. We were still using carbon copies then, and correcting a proportinate document would be really difficult.
there is a new thread the other shoe drops showing a real document side by side with one 20 days difference the real one has date stamped in not typed in as someone noted..it was done by secretary so officer could date stamp it when he signed it...new thread is smoking evidence..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212833/posts?q=1&&page=51
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212833/posts?q=1&&page=51"
---One of the leftest "urban legends" is the constant accusation that "Bush avoided the physical because he was on drugs!".
Back in the early 70's the physical was strictly for health fitness. I understand that substance abuse was not introduced until the early 80's and few tests were available even if it was required prior to this.
Could some other Freepers please help to confirm this?---
You are correct! In the 70's I remember CID having test kits for the drugs themselves. There were no urine tests. The urine tests were started in the early 80's as a response to cocaine abuse.
Another thing to look for would be the cross-hatch pattern of the ribbon. I recall that was fairly visible with a magnifying glass, except maybe for a brand new ribbon still loaded with ink. Do your old documents confirm this?
Below, is one of the SeeBS memos, dated May 4, 1972, followed by a memo signed by Rufus Martin on May 24th, 1972. It is obvious the second memo was written on a standard manual typewriter of that era.
If the statements by Killians son can be taken as factual, the SeeBS produced memo runs counter to every known piece of factual information known about Killian and how his office prepared, filed and stored memos.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212786/posts
another expert sinks the titanic cbs...
This raises a logic question I haven't seen addressed. If the Lt Col was writing memos to his own file, only for his use, only to "CYA," why were there ANY photocopies made, let alone multiple generations of photocopies? Not proof of anything, but a question a good investigator would ask before saying the documents were legit.
If the Times New Roman typeface was available on the IBM Executive typewriter at the the time, is it not still curious that *only* these memos were written on it? A wealth of documents from before and after these documents are available in Bush's military records from the same ANG office, and the all without exception use ordinary monospace typesets like Courier.
The availability of the TNR typeface seems to run counter to the history of licensing of that typeface that's been posted all over... but assuming that it is true, and assuming that this ANG HQ office had such a machine available... seems to me that something else ought to show up that was done on this machine... yet nothing other than these "personal" memos is in anybody's records.
funny, that.
The one old letter that I have handy is the one from 1975.
I have other typewritten letters that go back to the early twentieth century, but I'd have to go look for them.
However, the letter I do have handy, does not show the pattern you speak of.
This is probably because the type of ribbon used on this letter was a newer kind--it was probably not fabric but plastic, which I seem to remember was the kind of ribbon used by IBM selctric typewriters, on which the letter I looked at must have been typed.
But typewriters using the fabric ribbon that would leave a pattern were still being used, I am sure, in the early 1970's, and I do seem to remember noticing the pattern you speak of.
It says "Commander" under the Killian signature. Every signature that I can recall would say "Commanding"
I entered the USCG in 1985, and we had to do urine tests regularly. I don't know exactly when that practice began, but I do remember that they were still working out the best practices for the procedure. It had not been common practice for very long, I don't think. Maybe just a couple of years. I remember the "old" guys at the time bitching about having to go through it. It was fairly new.
Even then, the drug testing was a separate program from the ordinary physical. Physicals were done for the usual medicals reasons. I don't remember a drug test even being part of it, since that required elaborate arrangements with labs to perform the testing, and it required two-person integrity on all the sampling and marking of samples, and lots of special forms to fill out to meet the specs of the process. No point in doing it for the physical when there was already an apparatus in place to deal with drug testing as a program on its own.
We must be correct here---unlike CBS News.
Commander is correct for an Air Force Squadron
Commanding is correct for an Army Brigade (or Corps)
http://www.alwaystestclean.com/articles/atc_article_40.htm
1981 according to this article..
whoops that was random tests i dont know about scheduled medical exams...
The top part from the August 1 memo doesn't appear to be kerned. The bottom part from the August 18 memo does appear to be kerned. Perhaps it is due to artifacts from the copy process. I think the MS Word document that matches it exactly was made with kerning turned off (the default)
---BTW, I tried "To" and "Yo," the upper arm of the T and Y do NOT hang over the o. It looks like it because the T is just a tad narrower than the Y. ---
I assume you're talking about MS Word. Try typing the Yo To in 24pt type so you can see it clearly then go to print preview. I think you'll see the o has visably jumped over much closer to the T. The Yo remain a little further apart.
Well... that was the point of my post. When there is a special apparatus for doing drug testing, with special procedures, forms, and arrangements for labs to run the testing... then you *don't* need to or want to burden the process of ordinary physicals with yet another drug test. No point in it.
The actual testing on the samples, incidentally, were not actually performed on-site in a military medical facility. Those projects were contracted out to commercial laboratories, and were done in huge volumes of samples with each contract.
Yet another reason that there would have been no point to include such a test with an ordinary physical. They bought those tests in volume with a contractor... they weren't done piecemeal on-site. It would have been a waste of time.
At any rate... I really don't think those tests were even considered (or possible?) as early as 1972. The big push for drug testing in the military, it seems to me, was several years later.
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