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CBS Handwriting Expert Marcel Matley-Vince Foster Suicide Note Genuine
http://nick.assumption.edu/WebVAX/Foster/Unsolved22Mar96.html ^

Posted on 09/10/2004 5:47:19 PM PDT by Rome2000

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To: Rome2000

WOW! Great work!

Anyone care to take a guess at what this did to Shrillary's chances in '08?


21 posted on 09/10/2004 6:01:29 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Which part of "Don't Mess With Texas" didn't you get?)
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To: JesseHousman
The bottom line is that how in Gods name does CBS use the same expert that was involved in the Foster case?

Was he recommended to CBS by the DNC?

Did they find him in the yellow pages?.

22 posted on 09/10/2004 6:01:33 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: Rome2000
When I was younger and smarter I did a forensic evaluation of Foster's suicide that appeared in AIM. Basically, this was not a "suicide note." It had none of the characteristics. It was actually a "resignation rehearsal note." Later, both Mrs. Foster and McClarty agreed this was actually Mr. Foster trying to gather his thoughts prior to resignation.

Part of the problem in assessing suicide is that about 15% of all suicides have no threats or other indications of suicidal intent. The fact that this "note" was quickly described as a "suicide note," no doubt, contributed to the quick assumption by the public and others as to the fact of the suicide.

23 posted on 09/10/2004 6:01:38 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Rome2000
He points to the fact that the words beginning with the letters "th"

Oh my god - this is too bizarre! I'm getting the willies...
24 posted on 09/10/2004 6:05:54 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Rome2000

Did not ever get a degree?


25 posted on 09/10/2004 6:06:21 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Rome2000
Saint Francis College, El Cajon, CA 1952-54. Liberal arts, Science. Immaculate Heart Seminary, University of San Diego, San Diego, CA 1954-60. Courses included Philosophy, Logic, Rational Psychology, History, Rhetoric. Immaculate Heart College, Los Angeles, CA. MALS, June 1963 San Diego State College, San Diego, CA, 1962-63. l Graduate studies, Political Science. 1979-80 Privately instructed by Rose Toomey, author of HEALTH CLUES IN HANDWRITING. Seminar on the handwriting of criminals, conducted by Ted Widmer of San Francisco. 1991 and 1992 National Conference of NADE, and other seminars and conferences. On-going research in the legal, forensic and academic literature. Primary research in methods of disguise, writing with the opposite hand, and others.

This "expert" is not a trained or experienced investigator. No law enforcement experience or training...How much "criminal investigation" training has she had ? Apparently NONE... Yeah she's an " expert for hire". That means she is from "out of town".

26 posted on 09/10/2004 6:07:14 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: shrinkermd
Suicides seemed to be epidemic in Arkansas and around other Clintonista's This really gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that, of course, Dan Rather gave us the unvarnished truth >
27 posted on 09/10/2004 6:07:31 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Leapfrog
I see nothing in his resume that qualifies Matley as an expert in type written documents.

The FBI has specialists in that field.

28 posted on 09/10/2004 6:08:25 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: lawdog

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29 posted on 09/10/2004 6:12:04 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: Rome2000

Who are Dan Rather's experts?

Matley - Clinton connected.

Moore - Clinton connected.

Weird.


30 posted on 09/10/2004 6:12:09 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY DID THIS INTERVIEW WITH US PRIOR TO THE 60 MINUTES BROADCAST.

HE LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS AND THE SIGNATURES OF COLONEL JERRY KILLIAN.... COMPARING KNOWN DOCUMENTS WITH THE COLONEL'S SIGNATURE ON THE NEWSLY DISCOVERED ONES.

Matley: "WE LOOK BASICALLY AT WHAT'S CALLED SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT FEATURES TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S THE SAME PERSON OR NOT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IDENTIFYING THEM.

I WOULD SAY BASED ON OUR AVAILABLE HANDWRITING EVIDENCE, YES. THIS IS THE SAME PERSON."

Rather: MATLEY FINDS THE SIGNAT'URES TO BE SOME OF THE MOST COMPELLING EVIDENCE...WE TALKED TO HIM AGAIN TODAY BY SATELLITE.

Matley "SINCE IT IS REPRESENTED THAT SOME OF THEM ARE DEFINITELY HIS... THEN WE CAN CONCLUDE THEY ARE HIS SIGNATURES."

Rather: "ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT QUESTIONS COME ABOUT THESE. WE'RE NOT, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'RE SURPRISED."

Matley: "I KNEW GOING IN THAT THIS WAS DYNAMITE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND I KNEW THAT POTENTIALLY IT WAS FAR MORE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO ME PROFESSIONALLY THAN BENEFIT ME. AND I KNEW THAT. BUT WE SEEK THE TRUTH. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT YOURSELF OUT. TO SEEK THE TRUTH AND TAKE WHAT COMES FROM IT."


31 posted on 09/10/2004 6:19:30 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl

Yes, 'deteriorated copy' is a term that comes in handy when this 'handwriting specialist' is questioned. You would think that since there are zero original documents to look at Rather would have wanted at least 2 or 3 experts before he came out calling Pres.Bush a liar.

The fact this is the one that verified Vince Foster's suicide note is too rich. Priceless really.


32 posted on 09/10/2004 6:23:57 PM PDT by Reb Raider
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To: Rome2000

This guy seems to have a pretty thin resume, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is an expert at handwriting analysis. He claims no expertise with respect to determining authenticity of typed documents. As was pointed out on another thread, that is the gut issue here and he has no more expertise than I do. The best that he can do to support Honest Dan's case is to attest to the authenticity of the signatures. So what? The signatures easily could have been photocopied from the genuine memos that the White House released and cut and pasted onto the forged memos before they were recopied umpteen times to produce the "degraded" copies that Matley reviewed.


33 posted on 09/10/2004 7:19:23 PM PDT by Truthfairy (People have the governments they deserve.)
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To: Rome2000

In a part of the Rather interview with Mately tonight there was one line that stopped me cold--and it hasn't been talked about or noticed.

Mately said something about how he knew he'd be under scrutiny and how the opinion might affect his career...BUT then he said, "WE HAD TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH."

Who is "WE" Experts are supposed to be independent with no ax to grind. It sounded to me that this was a cause dear to Mr. Mately's heart.

To find out he's been a Democrat shill before just puts him in the same class as Private Investigator Anthony Pellicano who testified as an 'independent investigator' that the Clinton/Flowers tapes had been dubbed. It wasn't until years later that everyone learned he was a Democratic operative.


34 posted on 09/10/2004 7:28:20 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill; Truthfairy

Yeah, this guy apparently needs to find out the "Truth" about a lot of things, like the Vince Foster note that also magically appeared one day.


35 posted on 09/10/2004 7:31:44 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: over3Owithabrain
Matley also found this over the top nonsense "Genuine"

I have made mistakes from ignorance, inexperience and overwork.

I did not knowingly violate any law or standard of conduct.

No one in the White House, to my knowledge, violated any law or standard of conduct ---

[Here the sentence was truncated. Left out was the rest of the sentence - "including any action in the travel office."]

I was not meant for the job or the spotlight of public life in Washington. Here ruining people is considered sport.

36 posted on 09/10/2004 7:36:28 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: COEXERJ145

Dan Rather/Matley and CBS's Fahmy Malak?


37 posted on 09/11/2004 3:09:51 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
Exactly how Rather described the purported Killian documents.

Exactly!>/B>. You make a great point. This Matley slug is a one trick (and one party) pony!

38 posted on 09/11/2004 3:12:22 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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