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Live Thread: CBS Evening News (Dan tells us why we're all wrong)
www.freerepublic.com | September 10, 2004

Posted on 09/10/2004 3:18:38 PM PDT by Howlin

Edited on 09/10/2004 4:53:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: BlessedBeGod
What about Killian's widow and son??????????

Completely ignored them. As if they didn't exist.

341 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:24 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: TheLion
Now we are "partisan operatives"!

Yes, and crazy Dan, the DNC fundraiser, fancies himself a non-partisan journalist. The guys in the white coats need to come and yank him off of the SeeBS set.

342 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:32 PM PDT by MamaLucci (John F Kerry..."The "F" stands for "Forgery"......(among other things).)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

what a lying sack of sh!t he is.

Today cbs gets removed from my tv. It will not be back until rather is gone.


343 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:34 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: mabelkitty
Quick Transcript from Closed Captioning:

There were attacks today on the cbs news "60 minutes" report this week raising new questions about president bush's vietnam- era time in the texas air national guard. The questions raised by our report include did a wealthy texas oilman-friend of the bush family use his influence with the speaker of the texas house of representatives to get george W. Bush a coveted slot in the national guard, keeping him out of the draft and any probable service in vietnam? Did lieutenant bush refuse a direct order from his commanding officer? Was lieutenant bush suspended for failure to perform up to standards? Did lieutenant bush ever take a physical he was required and ordered to take? If not, why not? And did lieutenant bush, in fact, complete his commitment to the guard? These questions grew out of new witnesses and new evidence, including documents written by lieutenant bush's squadron commander. Today,inetnd elsewhere, some people, including many who are partisan political operatives, concentrated not on the key questions the overall story raised, but on the documents that were part of the support of the story. They alleged the documents are fake. Many of those raising questions about the cbs documents have focused on something called superscript-- a key that automatically types a raised "th". Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability in the '70s. But some models did. In fact, other bush military records already released by the white house itself show the same superscript. Here's one from 1968. Some analysts outside cbs say they believe the typeface on these memos is new times roman, which they claim was not available in the 1970s. But the owner of the company that distributes this typing style, says it has been available since 1931. Document and handwriting examiner marcel matley analyzed the documents for cbs news. He says he believes they are real, but is concerned about exactly what is being examined by some of the people questioning the documents. Because deterioration occurs each time a document is reproduced, and the documents being analyzed outside of cbs have been photocopied, faxed, scanned and downloaded, and are far removed from the documents cbs started with. Document and handwriting examiner marcel matley did this interview with us prior to the "60 minutes" broadcast. He looked at the documents and the signatures of colonel jerry killian, comparing known documents with the colonel's signature on the newly discovered ones.

>> We look basically at what's called significant or insignificant features to determine whether it's the same person or not. I have no problem identifying them. I would say based on our available handwriting evidence, yes, this is the same person.

>> Rather: Matley finds the signatures to be some of the most compelling evidence. We talked to him today by satellite. Are you surprised that questions come about these. We're not, but I was wondering if you're surprised.

>> I knew going in that this was dynamite one way or the other, and I knew that potentially it could do far more potential damage to me professionally than benefit me, and I knew that. But we seek the truth, that's what we do. You're supposed to put yourself out, to seek the truth and take what comes from it.

>> Rather: Robert strong was an administrative officer for the texas air national guard during the vietnam years. He knew jerry killian, the man credited with writing the documents. And paperwork, like these documents, was his specialty. He is standing by his judgement that the documents are real. When you read through these documents, is there any doubt in your mind that these are genuine?

>> Well, they are compatible with the way business was done at that time. They are compatible with the man I remember jerry killian being. I don't see anything in the documents that's discordant with what were the times, the situation or the people involved.

>> Rather: Strong says the highly charged political atmosphere of the guard at the time was perfectly represented in the new documents.

>> It verged on outright corruption in terms of the favors that were done, the power that was traded, and it was unconscionable. From a moral and ethical standpoint, it was unconscionable.

>> Rather: It is the information in the new documents that is most compelling for people familiar with president bush's record in the national guard. Author jim moore has written two books critical of president bush and his service in the guard.

>> There's no doubt in my mind that these documents are stating accurately what we know took place, from the records that are available.

>> Rather:.

>> Rather: Put it in context and perspective for us. The story and what we call the counterattack on the story, where are we right now?

>> I think what has happened is some incriminating documents have come out. The white house, you should remember, has not discredited the documents. They're relying on the blogosphere and other people to do that, because the white house probably knows these documents are in fact real.

>> Rather: The "60 minutes" report was based not solely on the recovered documents, but on a preponderance of evidence, including documents that were provided by unimpeachable sources and interviews with former officials of the texas national guard. If any definitive today the contrary of our story is found, we will report it.

344 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:39 PM PDT by numberonepal (Arms, eyes, and ears on election day.)
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To: Howlin

This was a hit piece.  "No definitive evidence" the story is wrong.

Dan Rather is a pathetic partisan, not a journalist.

345 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:40 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

I'm in Seattle...did Rather say that Marty Heldt of Tom Paine gave him the documents? There will be 6 DEGREES OF SEPARATION from the Clinton's.....this could be the First Degree.


346 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:40 PM PDT by Claire Voyant ((visualize whirled peas))
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
This IS war and by God, he will not win.

Let's hope that ABC and the Washington Post don't back off of this!

347 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:41 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Radix

He knows his career is over and is in denial. Hannity is going to finish him off tonite and he knows it.


348 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:44 PM PDT by DarthVader (John Kerry is really Janet Reno dressed up as a man.)
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To: mhking

Everyone slow down.....I can't keep up.


349 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:45 PM PDT by Dog (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
He is telling America to F*ck Off!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep.

But Kenneth has another thing coming...

350 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:45 PM PDT by mhking
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To: prairiebreeze

I've never seen Rather scared before. They are going down.


351 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:51 PM PDT by CThomasFan
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To: cyncooper

I was in Drug and Alcohol Control Program where we conducted random urinalysis in 1980. I don't think it was totally new then.


352 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:51 PM PDT by gogipper (Zell Miller -- At last a Democrat who isn't truth impaired.....Give 'em hell Zell.)
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To: Claire Voyant
;o)...

I couldn't get the "TH" to superscript in the tagline...damn these IBM selectrics!!!!

353 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:52 PM PDT by Mrs.Liberty (All your TH are belong to us.)
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To: mylife

Preponderance of evidence???


354 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:55 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: BamaDi

You feel like you're home when you're here...Smiles all around. Welcome home.


355 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:57 PM PDT by hershey
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To: TheLion

OMG! The DU is saying Rather hit a homerun. God, they're retarded.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x786623


356 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:57 PM PDT by Nascardude
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To: BunnySlippers

Killian also didn't have a home office and died 20 years ago. Where are these memos supposedly stolen from?


357 posted on 09/10/2004 3:43:01 PM PDT by weegee (What's the provenance, Kenneth? Where did the forged SeeBS memo come from?)
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To: Howlin

lol... well that was laughable wasn't it? It leaves about 100 questions about the docs unanswered. Talk about a biased report!!


358 posted on 09/10/2004 3:43:04 PM PDT by marway (JF'nK, show us your records now!)
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To: faithincowboys

"Wow, Texas politics is NASTY."


You have NO idea!!!


359 posted on 09/10/2004 3:43:06 PM PDT by Maria S ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: Howlin
Why would Killian's PERSONAL MEMOS have been photocopied and faxed HUNDREDS of times????

And CBS just admitted that they only had copies of these? Where are the originals? If there were originals, there would be no question about whether they were typed or computer-generated?

360 posted on 09/10/2004 3:43:09 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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