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New Bush records show he logged more than 300 flight hours in National Guard
AP ^ | 9/7

Posted on 09/07/2004 10:03:40 PM PDT by ambrose

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1 posted on 09/07/2004 10:03:40 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose
From this article:

Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972.

From another AP article by the same author:

Bush's lone service in October came at another air base an Alabama, where he sought temporary permission to train away from his assigned squadron.

AP: Lawsuit Gets Bush Guard Papers Out

Who made that change?????

2 posted on 09/07/2004 10:06:48 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: ambrose

Heck, Clinton's files showed up in the trunk of a car in a junk yard...anything can happen


3 posted on 09/07/2004 10:08:13 PM PDT by woofie (What Do You Call a Boomerang That Doesn't work? ...a stick)
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To: Howlin

AP = Almost Proofread; Almost Pre-meditated.


4 posted on 09/07/2004 10:09:22 PM PDT by alancarp (Boycott France and anything that even LOOKS French.)
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To: ambrose
Better read it here, probably will not see this anywhere else.
5 posted on 09/07/2004 10:09:51 PM PDT by TLI ( . . . ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA . . . . . .)
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To: ambrose

This is getting ridiculous. They didn't have computers back then. People signed in on scraps of paper which could have gotten misplaced. Everything was on paper without computers. The President got an honorable discharge. End of story. He didn't betray his fellow soldiers either.


6 posted on 09/07/2004 10:10:33 PM PDT by Merry
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To: ambrose

Bush fulfilled his military obligation by wiping out the Ba-athist regime in Iraq and capturing and killing two-thirds of the al-Qaeda leadership.


7 posted on 09/07/2004 10:11:22 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Howlin

Maybe the same person who claimed the crowd booed when Bush wished Clinton well.


8 posted on 09/07/2004 10:12:57 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com/)
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To: ambrose
Significantly, it showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United State[sic]...

Significantly?

These guys are grasping at such straws.

9 posted on 09/07/2004 10:15:38 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: ambrose

Over 300 hours, not including training. In other words, he spent more time learning to fly and flying than Kerry did in "service" in Nam!


10 posted on 09/07/2004 10:15:45 PM PDT by Prost1 (Why isn't Berger in jail?)
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To: Prost1

you just have to laugh at these pathetic Kerrytistas, desperately digging the dirt with such abandon it's clear the jig is up and they all know Kerry is a pathetic candidate. They should get a refund but the DNC would simply claim they could have known all along if they'd given Kerry the slightest bit of scrutiny, but they didn't, so it's really the fact they're such foolish suckers to have bought Hanoi John's hook, line & sinker, it's really themselves they should be mad at but they have no conscience so they'll just continue to lash out in hatred, vengeance filled anger.


11 posted on 09/07/2004 10:23:10 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Merry
When I came home from Bosnia in September 2001, my battalion commander told everyone in my guard unit not to show up for drill until January 2002. To the best of my knowledge, there was never a written order, and hell, the Bn Cdr probably wasn't authorized to do it. I (rightfully) didn't get paid for that three months, and so I guess if I ever run for President they'll say I was "AWOL" too.

The thing that really irritates me about this is that no one seems to understand the key ingredient of this issue: the National Guard is NOT the Active Army. I've served in both. In the Guard, if you have a personal obligation or job commitment, as long as you talk to your chain of command, they'll just as likely let you go "take care of it." No paperwork will be done, no records will be kept, but everyone still knows what's happening and where you are. It's not a bad thing! It's about National Guard and Reserve commanders understanding that the Guard/Reserve is not the sole focus of the soldier's life like it is on active duty.

I'm sure that something like that is what happened with President Bush. He told his chain that he wanted to go to Alabama with his civilian job, and they said, "No problem, but we can't pay you unless you find an Alabama unit to drill with..." I've seen stuff like this happen dozens of times. The soldier isn't AWOL, he simply has a *very* informal leave granted by his commander.

12 posted on 09/07/2004 10:25:00 PM PDT by Terabitten (Father, grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who came before me...)
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To: alancarp
after The Associated Press filed a lawsuit and submitted new requests under the public records law.

Are you accusing the AP of "gasp" BIAS? < /sarcasm>

13 posted on 09/07/2004 10:25:45 PM PDT by OSHA (Cheap Shots, Low Blows and Late Hits. Free Delivery. Fast Friendly Service with a Smile!)
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To: Prost1

While I agree with your sentiment, your math is way off. If Kerry spent 4 months in Vietnam (I'm guessing around 120 days), that's 2,880 hours for Kerry in Vietnam.


14 posted on 09/07/2004 10:27:17 PM PDT by egarvue (Martin Sheen is not my president...)
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To: ambrose
As part of the mission, the 147th kept two F-102a jets -- the same Bush flew before he was grounded -- on ready alert to be launched within five minutes' warning.
And just how many pilots does it take to fly two, count 'em, two aircraft?
Does overloaded even register in the mind of these people?
15 posted on 09/07/2004 10:28:28 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Tragically Single

I worked with a guy for 2 years who never did any monthly drills for two years. He did his two weeks once per year and when I asked him why he didn't have to drill he said he had enough points not to?


16 posted on 09/07/2004 10:37:06 PM PDT by america-rules (It's US or THEM so what part don't you understand ?)
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To: america-rules

Yep. The Guard works retirement based on a point system. You get x number of points for completing 12 drills and a two week annual training. For most Guardsmen, you'll have to spend twenty years in to acquire the needed number of points. In my case, five years on active duty gave me enough "points" to retire in the Guard, but I still needed twenty calendar years. I'm not sure how your friend did it, but stuff like that sounds vaguely familiar.


17 posted on 09/07/2004 10:40:43 PM PDT by Terabitten (Father, grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who came before me...)
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To: Merry
He didn't betray his fellow soldiers either.

So true. He also didn't cause the unfortunate POW's in Nam to suffer torture, either, because of malicious, patently false statements made before Congress for personal political gain.

18 posted on 09/07/2004 10:43:06 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: ambrose

Bush is running on a four-year record as commander-in-chief, not on his guard service. Kerry WAS running on his four months in Nam 35 years ago, but now had flip-flopped back to attacking Bush's economic record. Now the AP is carrying Kerry's water, going back into his guard service. WHEN is the AP going to investigate ANY of Kerry's records, or demand that he release what he still sits upon? Can you say RATHER BIASED? Oops, that would be CBS.


19 posted on 09/07/2004 10:49:15 PM PDT by rebel_yell2
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To: ambrose
The Associated Press filed a lawsuit and submitted new requests under the public records law.

Has the AP filed a similar suit to uncover Kerry's military records?

This issue will be a nonstarter among the vast voting public. Oh, sure -- Chris Matthews and the other sharks on the talking head shows will discuss this until we're sick of hearing it. But Bush has never made his NG service a central focus of his campaign, unlike Kerry and his "two tours" of Vietnam. People have pretty much made up their minds that in regard to Bush's NG record, it's irrelevant.

20 posted on 09/07/2004 10:49:39 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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