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New Era of Big Government
The American Conservative ^ | September 13, 2004 issue | Bob Barr

Posted on 09/05/2004 7:12:33 PM PDT by wdkeller

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Installment 3 of why I'm not voting this year.
1 posted on 09/05/2004 7:12:34 PM PDT by wdkeller
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To: wdkeller

"Installment 3 of why I'm not voting this year."


That's good. I suppose you'd expect a better run government, more efficient government, a safer America, and more localized control under a Kerry presidency. If so, don't vote. It is certainly your constitutional right to not do so. Sit it out! We applaud you for sitting on your laurels during a historic time in history.

I personally want to thank you for doing nothing when your country needs you most. That wasn't fair. You are posting this article on which I'm in agreement with most of. You and thousands of people like you are why we got a Clinton aberration. And I suppose that made you feel better. Well, enjoy! You may reap what you sow! Absolutely nothing!


2 posted on 09/05/2004 7:21:20 PM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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To: wdkeller

Holyschmidt Batman, that list is pretty far reaching, and by one of the Conservatives heroes. Bet it gets read by quite a few, and ignored.


3 posted on 09/05/2004 7:25:22 PM PDT by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: writer33

You are right about not voting, but wouldn't it have been nice if the so called conservatives on this board, and throughout the land, had complained loud enough for GW to get the message that we expect a smaller govt, and the rule of law to be upheld?


4 posted on 09/05/2004 7:28:29 PM PDT by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: jeremiah

Amen!


5 posted on 09/05/2004 7:30:34 PM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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To: wdkeller
"Former Congressman Bob Barr .."

Yep, I like the sound of that. Can I hear it again?

Former Congressman Bob Barr

Get's better every time.

Former Congressman Bob Barr

6 posted on 09/05/2004 7:31:47 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: writer33
Bob Barr is a good example of why people should never put too much faith in any politician. Barr is wrong when he writes:
" to me, the most devastating act of the Bush administration—which constituted such a fundamental betrayal of the First Amendment’s guarantee of our freedom to speak, petition, and assemble that it takes your breath away—was the president’s signing of the so-called Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act in 2003"

President Bush did not sign the Act because he desired the legislation; he did it only after the Republican efforts to block it failed, after a poison paragraph was inserted that was generally acnowleged to result in the Supreme Court voiding the entire Act; and after President Bush had warned Congress that he would not let them force him into vetoing a bill that they didn't have the political courage to vote against.

It was the Supreme Court that betrayed the First Amendment when they too refused to provide political cover for Congressmen who wanted to be able to say they voted for campaign reform, but didn't want the bill to become the law.

7 posted on 09/05/2004 7:34:56 PM PDT by bayourod (You're either for President Bush or against him. There is no "but...")
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To: wdkeller; Jim Robinson
Voting is a responsibility of each American Citizen. Why are you shirking? Is being bitter over being decieved more important to you than your participation in a participatory democratic process to exercise your most important "freedom of expression?

I may be wrong, but I value voting far more than pouting. No one has given their life in combat to protect pouting. Sometimes one has to vote as a defense against the greater of two evils and not abandon keeping one's finger in the conservative dike against the unbridled evils of tyrannical Socialism/Commonism!

Please change your stance just enough to vote with me to keep America as "exceptional" as it can remain until we ultimately find someone with enough class to win the hearts and minds of a majority without abandoning the Conservative dream of constitutionally restrained government growth!

It's been done before with Reagan and even he disappointed over not balancing the budget. But what the heck? Our school kids don't have to "duck and cover" under their desks due to nuclear threats like they might if you don't vote and the two "Johns" win and lose the WOT!!!

Just this once, stop holding out for the perfect only to enable the terrible. Hold your nose if you have to, but don't take the future of America for granted, please!!!

8 posted on 09/05/2004 7:37:10 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Success is still the best revenge... In the land of the free... Because of the brave!!!)
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To: writer33

Well done.

Bob Barr makes some very good points here, but he is one of those conservatives that make conservatives look like ogres.

More to the point, you are correct on the historic importance of this election. I hope those conservatives who sit this out will be pleased when Kerry's complete lack of leadership--his ONLY plan for the future seems to be to ask France to like us, and if they don't, well...--leaves a country far more damaged and decayed.

Imagine the kind of government spending we'll have to do to recover from the numerous 9-11s and school house massacres sure to follow after Kerry's rise to power.


10 posted on 09/05/2004 7:41:10 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: bayourod

"President Bush did not sign the Act because he desired the legislation; he did it only after the Republican efforts to block it failed, after a poison paragraph was inserted that was generally acnowleged to result in the Supreme Court voiding the entire Act; and after President Bush had warned Congress that he would not let them force him into vetoing a bill that they didn't have the political courage to vote against.

It was the Supreme Court that betrayed the First Amendment when they too refused to provide political cover for Congressmen who wanted to be able to say they voted for campaign reform, but didn't want the bill to become the law."

I'll agree with this as well. We can't blame President Bush for everything. He hasn't got alot of the support he needs from quite a few Senate Republicans, including McCain and others.


11 posted on 09/05/2004 7:42:46 PM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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To: wdkeller

Would you at least consider voting for a third party candidate for President, and then down the ticket voting for any Republicans worthy of the conservative label?


12 posted on 09/05/2004 7:45:07 PM PDT by Ahban (I doubt they are monitoring FR, but loose lips and all of that)
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To: sweet_taters

"They just better not complain when we cut their sacred taxes, or put Jesus back into our schools where he belongs."


You've done it now. You've used the J-word. I hope you can live with yourself. You need some immediate liberal instruction at your nearest university. Don't you know we can't cram Jesus down the throats of our Muslim and Jewish students. Have you lost all senseabilities, you extremist, Chrisitan conservative you! Hmmmm? :) Hehe!


13 posted on 09/05/2004 7:46:22 PM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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To: SierraWasp

Ouch! That had to hurt when it landed. Great job!


14 posted on 09/05/2004 7:49:24 PM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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To: writer33; azhenfud; 4ConservativeJustices
historic time in history.
you for doing nothing when your country needs you most

I keep hearing this is the 'most important election we've ever had'. But I heard that two years ago, four years ago, I imagine in every election I've voted in that I've heard that. And every time we're told if the right guy doesn't get in or if the right party is not in control, then we'll be sorry. But funny enough, the Republican party continues its move to the left. At least they're finally admitting their more government all the time roots advocated under the first Republican party President.

The War on Some Terror continues. Can't say I agree with many of the decisions but there it is. Doesn't make me any less conservative. From what I've seen I much more conservative than most. Barr makes a point. The administration is using the cover of the WOST to engage in passing legislation for anything and everything, none of it worthwhile, most of it not even attached to the WOST. I will cast a vote for President even though I don't personally believe the President should be elected by popular vote in each state thus deciding how each state's electoral votes swing. I won't vote for Kerry though. Can't see myself doing that

15 posted on 09/05/2004 7:52:26 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Darkwolf377; wdkeller

"Imagine the kind of government spending we'll have to do to recover from the numerous 9-11s and school house massacres sure to follow after Kerry's rise to power."

I shutter to think. Of course, this terrible school tragedy in Russia is a perfect example of what WOULD LIKELY HAPPEN UNDER A KERRY PRESIDENCY!

I know there are many parents out there that this school incident makes a sobering blow. Especially, when it comes to voting on November 2nd. A reminder that our children continued to go to school safely the remainder of the year and the last three years after September 11th.

That oughtta sow up the election and importance of voting in this election. What we need is the picture of those Americans jumping out of the World Trade Center. That was a sobering sight, awful to look at, and would keep Americans focused after their vacations went terror free this summer.


16 posted on 09/05/2004 7:54:45 PM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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To: KingKongCobra

There should be a party where people like Pat and Bob can go to bitch and moan. Maybe the liberal party they seem to be good at it.


17 posted on 09/05/2004 7:57:26 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: jeremiah
wouldn't it have been nice if the so called conservatives on this board, and throughout the land, had complained loud enough for GW to get the message that we expect a smaller govt, and the rule of law to be upheld?

But then we'd lose elections. "Moderation" is the answer. < /sarc >

18 posted on 09/05/2004 7:58:54 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: billbears

"I keep hearing this is the 'most important election we've ever had'. But I heard that two years ago, four years ago, I imagine in every election I've voted in that I've heard that. And every time we're told if the right guy doesn't get in or if the right party is not in control, then we'll be sorry."

I guess it's people like you that forget how many terror attacks there were under the Clinton administration. But you vote your conscious. Or don't vote because you're SO CONSERVATIVE!

Get this through your thick skulls: NOTHING IN LIFE IS PERFECT! Not one little thing. And while you're not voting, take a look at the pictures of those people jumping out of the World Trade Center. If you want to make changes, make sure you use your Constitutinal right to vote to do it. Otherwise, what's the point in even complaining! You won't do anything about it!


19 posted on 09/05/2004 8:01:21 PM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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To: writer33

Of course, this terrible school tragedy in Russia is a perfect example of what WOULD LIKELY HAPPEN UNDER A KERRY PRESIDENCY!



Let's be honest--no one can say there won't be events like this, or 9-11, under a second Bush presidency. But does anyone think the chances of such an event happening here are LESSENED with Kerry in charge?

Kerry's plan for the war on terror is based on this mythical vision of perfect intelligence, targetting terrorist training camps and such. What bull.

In truth, this is his plan: Look French, make some nice speech at the UN, tossing in a few French literary allusions (he and Terayza will savor the Le Monde articles gushing over the French-related President's intelligence, and "European flair")....and in the end he will get NOTHING from Old Europe, which was exactly what CLinton got from them when he tried to get them on the same page with Kyoto, trade, Bosnia, etc. etc.

Having failed in getting the planet to realign after one speech, Kerry will continue the Bush policies. However, the newspapers will be filled with articles about how Iraq is FINALLY getting on its feet again--as if the previous two years of postwar rebuilding had happened overnight.

In the end, Kerry's plan is Bush's plan, except he will say "I asked the world to help us, and we got that help...from The British, Australians, etc." i.e. the people he calls "the coalition of the coerced" right now.


20 posted on 09/05/2004 8:09:10 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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