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Why you should worry that there are fewer white male doctors
Telegraph ^ | 9/5/04 | Dr Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 09/05/2004 4:22:12 PM PDT by freedom44

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To: cyborg
If what you say is true, I sincerely apologize on behalf of Indians. That is completely unacceptable.
81 posted on 09/06/2004 3:18:26 AM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: cyborg

Can you send me the link to the guidelines you are referring to?
I have been doing clinical trials for a while now and have never had to undertake comparability trials with studies conducted in India (unlike China).


82 posted on 09/06/2004 3:20:52 AM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: July 4th

You are partially correct. I know some Indian schools that are as good or better than US schools. Then there are other Indian schools that are worse than Mexican schools.


83 posted on 09/06/2004 3:22:38 AM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: ozzymandus

What you say is true. But we do eat a lot of curry.......


84 posted on 09/06/2004 3:27:17 AM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: razoroccam

I don't know where you live, but it may be a regional phenomena. I live in New York, and usually my mother's friends only encounter it amongst new transplants.


85 posted on 09/06/2004 5:54:57 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: razoroccam

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2003/303_race.html

Here's one of them that I found. It seems that the FDA thinks about this more than I do?


86 posted on 09/06/2004 6:00:56 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: razoroccam

Curry is good. I've been eating it since I was a baby, and I still don't get why people think it smells *lol*


87 posted on 09/06/2004 6:03:23 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: freedom44; All
Anyone can be a doctor, sez this white male MD.

The best surgeon I ever worked with was Pakistani.

The best OBGYN I ever saw was West Indian.

The best cardiologist I ever worked with was Dravidian.

The problem is that the system of competitive exams with high failure rates has broken down, and nothing has taken its place.

The poster who wrote about Indian med schools is completely wrong-they are among the best in the world, just behind UK, Canada, US and Ireland.

However, they graduate everyone. The valedictorian from Lady Hardinge Medical College in New Delhi can run rings around the average HMS grad-but the last one in that class shouldn't be allowed to practice even in India.

At least half of every US medical school class should not be allowed to graduate-perhaps 2/3.

As long as getting in and paying the tuition guarantees graduation, and as long as passing the USMLE gets a foreign grad a license, our quality problems can't be solved.

The old system of extreme stress training, extreme competition, and honor was invented by white males, but anyone from anywhere could play, and often did.

88 posted on 09/06/2004 6:07:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Hillary becomes the RAT candidate on October 9. You saw it here first.)
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To: Jim Noble

What do you think of decreasing the work hours of residents?


89 posted on 09/06/2004 6:09:28 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: freedom44

Simple answer. SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. You want better doctors let them compete and let them charge based on the quality of their services. Why do the British complicate everything?


90 posted on 09/06/2004 6:12:40 AM PDT by Casloy (qs)
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To: cyborg
What do you think of decreasing the work hours of residents?

I think the very idea that residents have "work hours" is an absurdity.

91 posted on 09/06/2004 6:14:36 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Hillary becomes the RAT candidate on October 9. You saw it here first.)
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To: Jim Noble

Are the long hours leading to exhaustion in interns and residents largely a myth? If that's true, then there should be concern for nurses who work twelve hour shifts. I've worked twelve hour shifts in life before, but not in a hospital setting and lived through it.


92 posted on 09/06/2004 6:17:38 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg
What do you think of decreasing the work hours of residents?

The old system served two important functions:

1) Break quickly those who don't have the right stuff.

2) Identify quickly people who loved medicine so much that they had to be dragged out of the hospital.

We have fleets of people now who can get to practice (which is extremely stressful) without ever, ever being stress tested while they could still be stopped.

This, IMO, is very bad.

93 posted on 09/06/2004 6:18:04 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Hillary becomes the RAT candidate on October 9. You saw it here first.)
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To: Jim Noble

I think a lot of people are not interested in hospitals but concerning themselves with private practice. At least that's what I see from the amount of doctor offices cropping up in my area.


94 posted on 09/06/2004 6:19:27 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg
Are the long hours leading to exhaustion in interns and residents largely a myth?

Not at all.

I worked 36 hour shifts for two years.

They don't do it any more, of course.

95 posted on 09/06/2004 6:19:31 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Hillary becomes the RAT candidate on October 9. You saw it here first.)
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To: freedom44
The relative loss of white males is actually a sign of the decreasing prestige of medicine as a career.

This is the only part that concerns me, neither of the doctors my family uses is white except they are older but it's the change in the type of person interested in becoming a doctor independent of ethnicity. It's all about government regulations, managed care plans, govermnent control.

96 posted on 09/06/2004 6:19:42 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: PeterFinn

This is a story that will not hit the MSM.


97 posted on 09/06/2004 6:21:40 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Ursa63

It is a phase we are going through. It will explode back to the way it was. Men in general are aggressive, and will not continue. I imagine a lot of men holding their tongue are suffering from stress, and it is time they let go.


98 posted on 09/06/2004 6:21:54 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Jim Noble

But at the same time, I'd hate to be one of those patients at the "fag end" of one of those medicine-maniacs' shifts. Even if he or she loved it to death. Hey, wasn't I supposed to get the Celebrex, not the Celexa?


99 posted on 09/06/2004 6:21:59 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: cyborg

Excellent - I am so pleased to be able to address source documents rather than theories.

1. Asian generally means orientals. There are lots of differences between Caucasians and Orientals. Not many between Indians and Caucasians. In fact, the higher you go in the caste system (oh, no, now I've done it), the closer the similarity. Brahmins are more than 99% genetically identical to Europeans. This is not surprising if you know Indian history.

2. As the FDA says, they want racial data on ALL studies on ALL populations as the demand for identifying genetic basis for efficacy and safety increases. The web page gives examples, and so I won't repeat it here. The web page does not address specifically from which areas/countries it will accept data without bioequivalence studies.


100 posted on 09/06/2004 6:22:04 AM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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