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CSPAN - Pentagon's New Map Presentation on Now, Repeating
Thomas Barnett

Posted on 09/04/2004 6:31:47 PM PDT by Maigret

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This excellent program is airing tonight on CSPAN, will repeat at 11:03p est, 8:03p Pacific.

Barnett is a Democrat who supports Bush.

1 posted on 09/04/2004 6:31:48 PM PDT by Maigret
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To: Maigret

Thanks for the post.


2 posted on 09/04/2004 6:40:28 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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One of the amazing things about Rumsfeld's Pentagon is that he has dragged the academics out of their ivory towers and made them work for a living.
3 posted on 09/04/2004 6:43:12 PM PDT by SubMareener
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The guy is superficial and really not very bright. I listened to him on C-SPAN's Booknotes, and found Barnett totally underwhelming.


4 posted on 09/04/2004 6:46:35 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Maigret

Thanks for the heads up, Inspector.


5 posted on 09/04/2004 7:03:27 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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I read an article in Esquire on the "map". One thing that strikes me is that it doesn't take into account the effect of "reverse colonization" (Third Worlders immigrating to the "Functional Core").


6 posted on 09/04/2004 7:54:19 PM PDT by rbg81
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I read an article in Esquire on the "map". One thing that strikes me is that it doesn't take into account the effect of "reverse colonization" (Third Worlders immigrating to the "Functional Core").


7 posted on 09/04/2004 7:54:36 PM PDT by rbg81
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I agree. Also, using sound effects when going to the next slide is pretty tacky. What I saw of the presentation seemed too much like a gimmick in general.

Anyway, this is the website he has showing on his last slide, during questions: http://www.nwc.navy.mil/newrulesets/.

8 posted on 09/04/2004 7:59:40 PM PDT by Styria
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Just got done viewing this. His point about reverse colonialization is that it is a good thing, it will provide labor to the core nations as we depopulate ourselves. He said the patriot act was bad because it encourages our potential immigrants to go elsewhere. Then later he said we need to firewall our homeland (I believe). Frankly, these two sound self contradictory.

He did cite good statistics and takes into account many resources (labor, information, oil, etc.) Need to read the book for better analysis.


9 posted on 09/04/2004 9:04:38 PM PDT by gogipper
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yeah. I watched it and it was interesting.

Made me think...especially about globalization, which is rarely discussed on the media...


10 posted on 09/04/2004 9:04:40 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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On his blog he says that he's going to vote for Kerry.


11 posted on 09/04/2004 9:24:32 PM PDT by ValenB4
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...I was watching that...another great book to buy. :))


12 posted on 09/04/2004 10:37:07 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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Did you see that CSAPN is cancelling Booknotes? The head of CSPAN said it was like crammming for an exam to produce every show.


13 posted on 09/04/2004 10:39:41 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("I hate going to places like Austin and Dubuque to raise large sums of money. But I have to," Kerry)
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...Another Great book to Buy..On his blog he says that he's going to vote for Kerry.

..if thats' the case, "the Public Library". :))

14 posted on 09/04/2004 10:42:43 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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Did you see that CSAPN is cancelling Booknotes?...crammming for an exam to produce every show.

WHY?...Its' one of the few good events on C-SPAN between federal/state election cycles. :|

15 posted on 09/04/2004 10:49:35 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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Saw an interview last week with Brian Lamb where he announced it's cancellation;

Lamb to end C-SPAN’s ‘Booknotes’
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/9467321.htm
16 posted on 09/04/2004 11:02:15 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("I hate going to places like Austin and Dubuque to raise large sums of money. But I have to," Kerry)
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On his blog he says that he's going to vote for Kerry.

Well when I saw him on Booknotes he said he was supporting Bush, his ACLU card carrying wife must have changed his mind.

17 posted on 09/05/2004 7:38:39 AM PDT by Maigret
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Lamb to end C-SPAN’s ‘Booknotes’

Thanks, for the head-up & link. It'll be missed. :\

18 posted on 09/05/2004 9:20:31 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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his ACLU card carrying wife must have changed his mind.

I doubt that. Although he admits Kerry comes across as indecisive, he believes the Democrats would be better able to manage the world. In terms of convincing New Core countries, like India, China, and Brazil, to help the occupation of Iraq, and for the Systems Administration aspects of the post-war phase, he is probably correct and is being consistent with his theories, as the internationally distrusted Bush administration is going to be hard-pressed to do so.

I agree with a lot of what Barnett says and it is an elegant model. But it does end up in calling for more wars in third world countries, in a sort of soft imperialism designed to correct failed states. But I have a hard time with the ethics of killing innocent people just to turn a state around, especially, according to him, if globalization and peace is going to happen anyway.

He seems to relish the prospect of sudden shocks and jolts to a system as a means of bringing about healthy changes to a society. This is a very dangerous game as the French Revolution, communism, fascism, and the Iranian Revolution indicate (and very likely the Iraq war, we shall see). In this regard, Barnett is no conservative and fits right in with the neoconservatives and their Trotskyist idea of a permanent revolution spread through violence. He doesn't seem to appreciate that that cultural changes, in order to be successful and to avoid dangerous and totalitarian errors, must be gradual.

One thing that I really like that he says is that globalization has rules, not a ruler. That is true and following those rules and being members of the club, like the G-20, which includes New Core with Old Core, is likely to be more effective than the UN.

His model is pretty elegant but has some internal contradictions. I prefer that of the libertarian economist and investor Richard Maybury, who has a model based on something called "Chaostan", which comes down to much of the same thing as Barnett but greatly simplified. You can check his website at www.chaostan.com or www.richardmaybury.com.

19 posted on 09/05/2004 9:26:52 AM PDT by ValenB4
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Sad news. It is about the only program on TV that I try to regularly watch. And yes Brian Lamb was totally prepared for each author, and had read each book closely, so it must have been a lot of work.


20 posted on 09/05/2004 9:41:33 AM PDT by Torie
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