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Russia's Putin Orders Crackdown After School Siege
ABC News / Reuters ^ | Sept. 4, 2004 | Richard Ayton and Oliver Bullough

Posted on 09/04/2004 1:16:00 AM PDT by Walkin Man

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To: Walkin Man
This story should never be forgotten.

Like the Nazis who threw children into the furnaces, these maggots must be eradicated.

141 posted on 09/04/2004 11:20:04 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: LonghornFreeper; musicman
Why should Russia have supported us in Iraq after we supported Islamic terror militarily in Kosovo and diplomatically in Chechnya?

It wasn't because of that. It wasn't personal at all. The were afraid of instability in Iraq. They correctly reasoned that it would become a tug nest in the interim. It made their job harder. Putin told GW, he understood his reasons but Russia could not go along.
142 posted on 09/04/2004 11:32:43 AM PDT by silversky (Thinking is unthinkable to the Demoncrats. Like everything else.)
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To: Husker24

The F'n Kerry campaign headquarters is sending them tons of spitballs!


143 posted on 09/04/2004 11:35:23 AM PDT by Thom Pain (Quisling - from Vidkun Quisling (1887-1945), a synonym for "traitor")
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To: Freebird Forever

I second that, 110%.


144 posted on 09/04/2004 12:32:43 PM PDT by MarylandPines (Pro deo et Patria)
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To: Freebird Forever

I second that, 110%.


145 posted on 09/04/2004 12:32:52 PM PDT by MarylandPines (Pro Deo et patria)
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To: Truthsayer20

Don't worry, GW will take care of that in the next term. What a blowout this is going to be...


146 posted on 09/04/2004 12:34:07 PM PDT by MarylandPines (Pro Deo et patria)
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To: Walkin Man

John Freakin' Kerry wants a more sensitive response!


147 posted on 09/04/2004 12:36:02 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: freebilly

Sherman probably wasn't quite as bad as the Chechen terrorists. He did make war on defenseless women and children tho.


148 posted on 09/04/2004 12:41:20 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: hershey
Borders closed. Wow. Maybe we should take a closer look at that.

Not a chance. We continue to allow in thousands of muslims and islamos legally, while our own borders have become a national security time bomb.

149 posted on 09/04/2004 12:47:55 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: AdmSmith
Thanks for posting the link : )

So many layers to this problem.

Watched a documentary on Chechnya...the emphasis was on Russian troop morale..and crime.

so ya...everything from soldiers stealing AK-47's and gasoline for their own fiscal return...to Officers moving large shipments with support net at higher military levels..allong with connection to regional gov and Gangster types.

toss in all manner of other Blackmarket activity...from drugs to prostituki.

Chechnya is a living hell....Russian teens do whatever they can to avoid conscription.
and ya..their families throw in too.
hide the kid in the Urals at the uncles cabin.
Russian gov agents run around with photos trying to catch up with them.

The Russian miltary system has a history of abuse.....some here at Fr are aware of it.
The young Russian soldier exists in a world where he is prey to abuse of all kinds.
as his time served evolves..he becomes a *Grandfather..where he changes places..and becomes the one dispensing abuse to the new soldiers.

Once the soldier is in an environment like Chechnya...its easy to see why they fall prey to Officer extortion in the fieled..regional gangsters etc.

so ya..its a big mess,
Putin will make many enemies if he tries to stop it.
Putin being a realist is unlikely to stop it....just manage it.

Russia has to face Islamic terror...
and misery.... of their own making.

150 posted on 09/04/2004 12:59:19 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: LonghornFreeper

I agree. Eight years of clinton "foreign policy" could have easily been seen as a "more sensitive" way to deal with the growing world wide terrorist threat, or a "Zell" described kerrys' plan for US foreign policy:"a bowl full of mush".

Tony Blair has realized the difference between clinton's and GWB's "foreign policy". Tony KNOWS when GWB says something to him, HE CAN TRUST HIM. I don't know if Putin's KGB "roots" are holding him back from giving GWB a chance to show him he is someone you CAN COUNT ON when times get tough, and all that GWB asks is that it be reciprocated.

Putin HAS to see GWB's "resolve and steadfastness" regardless of which way the political winds are blowing, or his opponents seemingly CONSTANT negativity of his actions.

A "One-on-One" between the two of them will maybe never be as "ripe for the picking" as this moment in time. I hope it doesn't slip by.


151 posted on 09/04/2004 1:55:41 PM PDT by musicman
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To: bronxboy

To answer your first question, they are trying to be more relevant than the French.


152 posted on 09/04/2004 4:48:13 PM PDT by Atchafalaya
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To: fortheDeclaration
"But the European Union said in a statement it wanted an explanation from Russia "how this tragedy could have happened."
Because special forces saw 5 year olds getting shot in the back and figured they had to do something maybe?
153 posted on 09/04/2004 8:25:16 PM PDT by VA40
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To: silversky

I hate to even think about this, but if this had happened to my child..trying to find one of those bomb belts and visiting the nearest packed mosque may come to mind. I'm surprised it doesn't happen and often.


154 posted on 09/04/2004 8:47:00 PM PDT by VA40
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To: LonghornFreeper

You speak the truth and this needs to be addressed. In the Clinton years muslim activities were covered up to the American people. The press never mentioned "muslim" when referring to Checnya or Kosovo and according to the complicit press muslims have never attacked Christians in Africa, it's just tribal wars or something. We were on the wrong side in Clinton's war. This has to be admitted sooner or later. He was protecting/creating his legacy and this would have gotten in the way. He thought he could pull it off by appeasing Arafat and other terrorists. He thought wrong.


155 posted on 09/04/2004 9:08:43 PM PDT by VA40
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To: brigette

that bottom photo . . . that's the unforgettable one that brings me to tears. I was so fortunate just now to tuck my not-so-little-ones into their beds, to hold them tight, stroke their hair, pray with them. I grieve with those parents for their excrutiating losses.


156 posted on 09/04/2004 9:24:30 PM PDT by cyn (prayers always for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: Walkin Man

Terrible lesson for Russia to learn; we need to pay close attention.

Bush needs to send more troops into the ME, invade Iran, Syria, and destroy anyone who sponsors terrorism. Russia should do the same with the Chechens and any other group connected with Al Qaeda.

And together demand that the Saudis either shut down their Wahabbi mullahs, or be destroyed.


157 posted on 09/04/2004 9:29:41 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
"The hard words suggested Putin had no intention of backing down from his tough policies of crushing Chechnya's separatist rebellion to keep the mainly Muslim region within Russia, using tactics long criticized by human rights activists."

. . . and this attack on children will, I'm sure, be denounced by the same human rights activists. Oh, and CAIR.

158 posted on 09/04/2004 9:32:07 PM PDT by cyn (prayers always for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: Eva

"it left me wondering what the liberal editors were thinking."

see there's your problem... liberals don't think.



159 posted on 09/04/2004 11:54:16 PM PDT by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: FITZ
Maybe they could seek asylum in Saudi Arabia --- but any group that attacks innocent children at a school needs to be exterminated or driven out of the country. The Russians are insane if they allow the Muslims to stay.

I wish -- let them live with their own kind. No, Fitz, they won't go to Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim paradise -- they'll seek entry into the US or other western nation. And we would be stupid enough to take them.

160 posted on 09/06/2004 8:43:45 AM PDT by Siamese Princess
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